Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Excellent, thousands (millions) of young people got the chance to prove themselves, without which they would never have been offered employment becuase it would have been too costly and too risky to take a punt that there might be potential hidden behind academic failure resulting from an education system that was much better on excuses (wrong background, home enviroment, low expectations) than results.

The shop I worked in as a student had a YTS kid. He wasn't among the brightest and the best but he was a nice enough lad.

He got a full time job at the end of the YTS course then got an internal promotion. Then he moved to the shop next door and went on their management training program. After about 5-7 years he was assistant manager of a shop turning over well in excess of two million quid a year in 1990.

Any scheme that is taking on kids that are 16 or so who are not in education or training is likely to be taking on a lot of kids that are well below average intelligence (about half of kids go to uni now) and may well have other problems too. Dealing with kids like that can often be difficult and any scheme that seeks to help them is likely to meet a lot of failures. The success is getting kids that didn't have great expectations of life and helping them gain a sense of self worth and achievement in their lives.

Tromking

michaels wrote: »

Is there no correlation between academic acheivement and likelihood of being unemployed between 16 and 24?

Even in the early 80s I would guess that less than 50% of 16-24 year olds were unemployed and that those with fewer academic qualifications were more likely to be unemployed.

Oh you're guessing, fair enough.
I would suggest there's a bit of difference between an academic failure and someone with fewer qualifications. You've tempered your language I notice. 😀

Generali

Tromking wrote: »

Why would you think that in era of mass unemployment that anyone entering a YTS would be an academic failure?

The YTS was for 16-18 year olds that were not in education or training. Whilst that doesn't necessarily indicate educational failure it's hardly a definition of a successful academic career.

Tromking

Generali wrote: »

The YTS was for 16-18 year olds that were not in education or training. Whilst that doesn't necessarily indicate educational failure it's hardly a definition of a successful academic career.

I agree.
Who are you arguing with?

kabayiri

How will Corbyn overcome the problem associated with Labour leaders with socialist credentials ? :-

- Managing the expectations from the Unions
- Managing the expectations (concerns) from Big Business

Will it come down to who holds all the cards?

Generali

Tromking wrote: »

I agree.
Who are you arguing with?

I thought I was agreeing with you at least in part. I apologise if that didn't come across.

wotsthat

I think we might just have the most inept and irresponsible opposition of the last few decades - that's saying something when there's the post 1997 Tories to compare with.

We've got the autonomous drones that are the SNP being controlled by a puppet master whose analysis starts and finishes with 'does this move us closer to independence or not?'. Then we've got Labour who have spent nearly 5 months thinking about nothing but a leadership campaign and will spend months more fannying about formulating policy for an election that won't happen until 2020 by which time they'll have another leader anyway.

The Tories meanwhile get to do whatever they want, when they want without being fully held to account. Even the media are obsessed by Corbyn - Lord Ashcroft must be kicking himself for launching his book right now - even a story about the PM simulating oral sex with a dead pig hasn't been able to impact Corbysteria.

ruggedtoast

Corbyn smashed it at the annual conference. According to a Sky News poll, 53% of people can now see him being PM.

What do you think about that Martin? Spin if you approve.

:money:

ruggedtoast

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/28/jeremy-corbyn-cut-out-doll_n_8205978.html

Generali

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Corbyn smashed it at the annual conference. According to a Sky News poll, 53% of people can now see him being PM.

What do you think about that Martin? Spin if you approve.

:money:

It wasn't a poll so much as people jabbing at their remote controls during Mr Corbyn's speech:

http://news.sky.com/story/1561050/sky-pulse-53-percent-can-imagine-corbyn-as-next-pm

Here's a thought for you. Perhaps the people that watch the Labour Party conference are more likely to be pro-Corbyn than the population at large seeing as many are probably Labour Party supporters who...just voted for Mr Corbyn! What do you reckon angry smilie?

:mad:

Yup, she's still angry at the sloppy reporting of straw polls and about sample bias. And who can blame her?