Corbynomics: A Dystopia

ruggedtoast

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Just me or people like me?

And if people like me what am I like and by what degree of tolerance of which aspects of me is someone like me rather than not like me?

If you aren't pressing for change then you are by default part of the Establishment.

Most likely you are having a jolly nice time as part of the establishment. The thing such people fail to understand is that when encountering those who are not having a jolly nice time, the reason isn't always that they are not trying hard enough to be part of the establishment.

Often it is the establishment which isn't trying especially hard to ensure they have the jolly nice time that persons who look and sound like persons of the establishment enjoy.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If you aren't pressing for change then you are by default part of the Establishment.

Most likely you are having a jolly nice time as part of the establishment. The thing such people fail to understand is that when encountering those who are not having a jolly nice time, the reason isn't always that they are not trying hard enough to be part of the establishment.

Often it is the establishment which isn't trying especially hard to ensure they have the jolly nice time that persons who look and sound like persons of the establishment enjoy.

that's not the meaning of the establishment




and people who don't want a communist, IRA loving party in power, isn't a definition of 'the establishment'


why not discuss this with your parents and grandparents and help to heal the misunderstanding?

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

that's not the meaning of the establishment




and people who don't want a communist, IRA loving party in power, isn't a definition of 'the establishment'


why not discuss this with your parents and grandparents and help to heal the misunderstanding?

I am curious as to how many buttons have dropped off your keyboard. I know the shift key went a while ago. Now the full stop seems to have gone too.

Mistermeaner

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If you aren't pressing for change then you are by default part of the Establishment.

Most likely you are having a jolly nice time as part of the establishment. The thing such people fail to understand is that when encountering those who are not having a jolly nice time, the reason isn't always that they are not trying hard enough to be part of the establishment.

Often it is the establishment which isn't trying especially hard to ensure they have the jolly nice time that persons who look and sound like persons of the establishment enjoy.

I pressed for change and change is on its way. Along with millions of others I voted labour and their bloated state and welfare system out in 2010. The coalition showed financial savvy so again I voted for change to go all out conservative and push on with financial responsibility. I'm watching those changes being implemented now so by your definition I am not part of the establishment.

Not sure what you mean by jolly nice time ? I work hard, obey the laws of this land, raise my child and pay my taxes putting more into the system than I take out - doesn't that make me a decent and valuable member of society? Don't we want people like me?

By the way I'm young, have a mortgage and no final salary pension.

lisyloo

putting more into the system than I take out

Are you sure about that?
I read somewhere that only the rich are givers and everyone else are takers and yours is a mistaken belief (I'm assuming you're not rich).
This means including the cost of schools for your kids, hospitals, police, fire, GPs, dentists. roads etc. etc.

gadgetmind

lisyloo wrote: »

I'm assuming you're not rich.

I guess that depends on how you define the term.

I read that in the UK, the top 1% of all earners will pay over a third of all the income tax that's collected. This requires an income of just North of £150k, which is certainly a decent sum, but not the vast incomes that most people would associate with "the rich".

michaels

lisyloo wrote: »

Are you sure about that?
I read somewhere that only the rich are givers and everyone else are takers and yours is a mistaken belief (I'm assuming you're not rich).
This means including the cost of schools for your kids, hospitals, police, fire, GPs, dentists. roads etc. etc.

Google suggests the top 40% of (non-pensioner) households are net contributors.

Mistermeaner

I had read somewhere that the break-even household income to become a nett 'giver' rather than 'taker' is approx £38K (gross) - maybe this is quite crude and doesn't include details such as apportioning education costs to individual households depending on number of kids (rather than just evenly assigning the total cost of educating our children across all households)

But likewise some households will use the NHS far more than others so 'cost' more - I've not seen a doctor or GP for about 5 years

gadgetmind

Yes, according to this.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2215070/Are-contributor-burden-nations-finances--Squeezed-middle-increasingly-dependent-state.html

A whole load of people are freeloading off me. Stop it at once!

gadgetmind

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I had read somewhere that the break-even household income to become a nett 'giver' rather than 'taker' is approx £38K (gross)

Sounds about right. It's also roughly what we pay people towards the end of our graduate programme, by which time they are usually 24 or 25 years of age.