Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Arklight

fatbeetle wrote: »

It would seem there is a reason for them being more likely to be jailed.

If you think that the leading indicator of criminality is ethnicity then there is nothing much to say to you, other than that y'all will fit right in with Express reading, UKIP voting, Brexit loving members of this board.

GreatApe

Arklight wrote: »

What you mean is not that today we have all that. What you mean is that in your day you had, or more precisely have that.


The generations below you do not know anything like full employment. I don't know how you can look at someone graduating university today getting by on gig jobs and privately renting some dump from someone with multiple houses when they will never own one, and tell them that they'll be retiring in their mid 60s.


You get to retire in your mid 60s. You seem to have forgotten to pass that privilege onto the generations below you, mostly by loading trillions of pounds of debt onto them before they were born.


Even then, the retirement age for the boomer sacred cows was raised, what do you think they are planning to do to us?


The Tories do not give a toss whether Amazon's automation strategy puts one million people out of work. As far as they are concerned that's another million Labour voters evicted from their homes and off the electoral roll and the automated Ocado vans will have quieter roads to drive on.

The older generation can't take their wealth to the grave it will be passed down as it always has been.

And I am on my early 30s and all my friends are employed in full time jobs and most of them are well paid. The gig economy is primarily for migrants who have fewer options. Twenty years ago migrants existed too and they often did the sub minimum wage black market cash jobs so it isn't really new.

economic

wage gap is getting wider but its not a problem.

housing crisis is a myth.

discrimination is not significant.

there are far too many university courses then needed in the economy and far fewer apprenticeships.

Moby

Malthusian wrote: »

What a sad way to go through life, fantasising about how much happier you'd be if you'd been the child of a millionaire.

I think Victorians often used to indulge this kind of fantasy, imagining that they might actually be children of the aristocracy and one day their true identity would be revealed and they would be swept away to a better life like in a Charles Dickens novel. But back then there was much less social mobility than there is now and I thought this fantasy had largely been extinguished as people have better things to think about.


They have any number of better role models they can choose from thanks to TV and the Internet, if they want to. This old racist idea that a British Afro-Caribbean boy from a council estate has to choose another British Afro-Caribbean male from a council estate as his role model is quite tiresome. When I was young I saw Nelson Mandela as a role model despite the fact that he wasn't a white British male like myself. Perhaps that was cultural appropriation on my part.

Completely twisted what I said didn't you. Where in my post did I say I go through live fantasising about being a millionaire? Also I didn't say British Afro Caribbean's have to do anything. I was describing what my experience is from working with young men in London. Perhaps I should not bother and just tell them to watch tv and go on the internet instead. Why do we concern ourselves with Victorian fantasists when there seem to be plenty of such types here and now who think 21 st century Britain is living the dream and who ignore evidence to the contrary because it makes them feel uncomfortable.

Moby

GreatApe wrote: »

What it shows is that extended family is what saves bad situations not the state

People need to look after their extended families not rely on corbyn as corbyn cant and wont help them

I've got a load of people I'm trying to find an extended family for....any offers?

Boredatwrork

Arklight wrote: »

If you think that the leading indicator of criminality is ethnicity then there is nothing much to say to you, other than that y'all will fit right in with Express reading, UKIP voting, Brexit loving members of this board.

It eludes possibly more to culture not colour. And if one particular demographic subscribes to a certain way of life more than another, then it will play into the statistics, there is no point pretending its race issue if the stats are there to back it up,
I have no idea the motivations of the original poster, but that is of little importance, the stats show their is a clear link regardless and that's what should be focused on.

Moby

michaels wrote: »

Strange thing to say about govt debt when Corbyn proposes hugely increasing the deficit in the name of 'investment' and the vast majority of the current debt mountian is as a result of the tories not imposing austerity following the gfc.

Typical tory view.. can only see investment in human potential as further debt.

Boredatwrork

Moby wrote: »

Typical tory view.. can only see investment in human potential as further debt.

I think a lot in the left would be thoroughly surprised to know that many on the right who voted Tory, basically want a similar society to those who voted left, and the only real difference is how we go about getting there.
Trying to win the moral argument is where the left fails, especially in many cases as they turn out to be the more vicious and bigoted when pushed, this from my experience primarily comes down to their belief they are on some sort of holy almost pious quest against good and evil and so this justifies any tactic they can come up, as its all for the greater good they believe, And as people become older wiser they tend to see through it.

burnleymik

Arklight wrote: »

If you think that the leading indicator of criminality is ethnicity then there is nothing much to say to you, other than that y'all will fit right in with Express reading, UKIP voting, Brexit loving members of this board.

Shame you have to slap people with labels, rather than debate their point. Seems to be the real problem these days. You cannot have open debates without people calling names and labeling.

setmefree2

Things you'll never read when a Labour Corbyn government is in power

"Government borrowing at lowest September level for 10 years......."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41691656