Corbynomics: A Dystopia

TrickyTree83

ilovehouses wrote: »

Since when did opposition parties have or require stated, definitive or precise policies.

Never, they can promise complete fantasy as long as the media doesn't destroy the fantasy or people are stupid enough to ignore those debunking the fantasy.

Happens a lot to Labour voters over the past decade. They're more gullable now though, when Corbyn slates the government for over borrowing yet his plans include more borrowing than that which he castigates for. Genius.

LHW99

You do not decide your red lines before the negotiation.

Surely if they really are "red lines" they have to be decided before the negotiating begins - otherwise something may be agreed that on later reflection has crossed a "red line" that wasn't actually in place before the negotiation ..... so can't actually be agreed ......... so ........

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Guarantee that remaining in the EU is a recipe for economic success. That indefinitely there will be no single currency for all EU members, that we will still be able to set our own interest rates, that we will remain autonomous to the degree we are currently under the EU?

You can't. So what's your point? Except to bring to everyone's attention that leaving is as risky as remaining just in different ways. You cannot use hard facts and data to show that leaving will be bad in the same way I can't use it to show that remaining would be bad. You're asking people to tell the future, if they could do that they likely wouldn't be wasting time explaining these things to you, I know I wouldn't be.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-hard-no-trade-deal-agreement-leave-eu-single-market-uk-economy-cost-400-billion-pounds-a7994731.html

Nonsense every dog on the street knows leaving will have economic consequences. Remaining is not as risky. We have over 40 years of evidence to show that is the case. For a start look at the way the pound has gone south.The Brexiteers will of course sneer at every macro-economic report; they are bound by their articles of faith to do so.

Thrugelmir

LHW99 wrote: »

Surely if they really are "red lines" they have to be decided before the negotiating begins - otherwise something may be agreed that on later reflection has crossed a "red line" that wasn't actually in place before the negotiation ..... so can't actually be agreed ......... so ........

Negotiations require compromise. Little point in wasting time if one side has an entrenched position on one single topic.

Moby

Sapphire wrote: »

It would be interesting to hear how labour intends to deal with the EU 'rules' against renationalisation – bearing in mind that renationalisation is something that the Corbhyn/Mcdonald mob and its union backers are particularly keen on, and it is their stated aim (at the moment).

Moreover, I'd also like to hear labour's stated, definitive policy on freedom of movement and the other 'freedoms' imposed by the unelected Brussels officials on every nation that is part of the EU 'project'.

There is a parliament in Europe the commission are answerable to it. The parliament has MEPs who with the council of ministers decide policy. The council of ministers are appointed by the member states. Freedom of movement was not imposed by unelected officials. Those officials are subject to directives from the parliament, like civil servants in this country. You are simply twisting reality to fit your prejudices!

As for Corbyn and McDonnell at least they don't collapse like a cheap deckchair every time they are asked a hard question. That 'mob' as you call it is looking more electable every time Mayhem opens her gob and spouts out her inane nonsense while gurning at the unlucky interviewer who has to listen to her spluttering drivel;)

buglawton

So if the DT is to be believed, Corbin has come out as a Remainer as I predicted many a post ago. And 75% would vote leave today?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2017/10/12/government-must-speak-passionately-favour-leave/
Paywalled but the gist is clear from the paragraph you can read.

Filo25

buglawton wrote: »

So if the DT is to be believed, Corbin has come out as a Remainer as I predicted many a post ago. And 75% would vote leave today?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2017/10/12/government-must-speak-passionately-favour-leave/
Paywalled but the gist is clear from the paragraph you can read.

The 75% is the number who would favour "no deal" over "bad deal", not a Leave/Remain question..

If anything the scant recent polling on issues around the Leave/Remain question seems to point towards a slight but not particularly significant drift towards Remain.

buglawton

Yes you're right, so 74% disagree with Corbin then. Interesting.

Thrugelmir

buglawton wrote: »

Yes you're right, so 74% disagree with Corbin then. Interesting.

Be a change of Labour policy on Monday then. :cool:

chappers

Moby wrote: »

As for Corbyn and McDonnell at least they don't collapse like a cheap deckchair every time they are asked a hard question.

No they just either completely dodge the question or spout some populist rubbish that they know they know they can't uphold nor will ever have to attempt to.