Corbynomics: A Dystopia

.string.

Meanwhile, on planet Venezuela,

Robots in the workplace should be owned and controlled by workers rather than bosses

So after someone else has designed an automatic device (a robot) to make a thingy, a group of workers who might have been employed to make that thingy (but weren't because the thingy had only just been invented) will step in, have a whip-round for the cash to buy it or maybe just take it and declare they own it, and they would then control it. Control it? Collectively switch it on and off? Make it join their union? Operate the steering wheel? They will of course decide their own wages, with bonuses for watching the robot.

This is the deep thinker who is now leading the Labour Party?

Perhaps someone can explain why they think Corbyn can walk on water.

Thrugelmir

.string. wrote: »

They will of course decide their own wages, with bonuses for watching the robot.

Wages are earnt. To earn wages the business need to generate a cash profit. So simple for those to say that have never run anything.

antrobus

.string. wrote: »

Meanwhile, on planet Venezuela,

Robots in the workplace should be owned and controlled by workers rather than bosses

So after someone else has designed an automatic device (a robot) to make a thingy, a group of workers who might have been employed to make that thingy (but weren't because the thingy had only just been invented) will step in, have a whip-round for the cash to buy it or maybe just take it and declare they own it, and they would then control it. Control it? Collectively switch it on and off? Make it join their union? Operate the steering wheel? They will of course decide their own wages, with bonuses for watching the robot.

This is the deep thinker who is now leading the Labour Party?

Perhaps someone can explain why they think Corbyn can walk on water.

It gave my a giggle. Of course, it was only some speech at the Co-Op conference, but then again, it illustrates that Corbyn is a complete plonker when it comes to economics.

Owning robots? As you noted, where are they going to get the money from? And as to controlling them, the blithering idiot clearly has no idea that nobody 'controls' robots as such; they just do what they are told by the software on the server. Are these 'workers' all going to have to learn to code?

Which is apart from the fact that any company faced with this kind of boll0x is going to close their UK facility and relocate to Poland pdq.

I suspect it's just another pseudo-Trotskyist 'transitional demand' designed to hasten the end of capitalism. Long live the dictatorship of the proletariat. You know it makes sense.

Meanwhile in Venezuela they have run out of paper.:)

.string.

antrobus wrote: »

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Meanwhile in Venezuela they have run out of paper.:)

But not of BS it seems.

It seems that every time Corbyn opens his mouth he makes a fool of himself He's so used to railing about wicked capitalists to his adoring fans that he's lost touch with any need to includes a touch of reality in what he says.

Following May's report on the status of Brexit he started off by querying May on the very things she had been talking about and explaning. He simply hadn't cottened on that she had just answered the questions he was putting. It was truly cringe worthy.

This "robot" thing is merely the latest silliness. Maybe he imagines that robots look like some sort of transformer creature working at a bench in direct replacement of a human being; I really don't know what he has in mind except that it's not real.

I've worked in robotics myself (space robotics) fir many years and know durectly that a robotic system is not something that is developed by a single-discipline group of individuals it's a multi-discipline business, often requiring cooperation between companies, and requires serious capital, not a letter from Ethel of Bournemouth and a Government grant to a trade union.

For the life of me, I can't understand why people rate that guy.

Arklight

.string. wrote: »

Meanwhile, on planet Venezuela,

Robots in the workplace should be owned and controlled by workers rather than bosses

So after someone else has designed an automatic device (a robot) to make a thingy, a group of workers who might have been employed to make that thingy (but weren't because the thingy had only just been invented) will step in, have a whip-round for the cash to buy it or maybe just take it and declare they own it, and they would then control it. Control it? Collectively switch it on and off? Make it join their union? Operate the steering wheel? They will of course decide their own wages, with bonuses for watching the robot.

This is the deep thinker who is now leading the Labour Party?

Perhaps someone can explain why they think Corbyn can walk on water.

Maybe some of you Tories can explain to me why you repeatedly fail to understad that millions of us are prepared to vote for Corbyn not because he is a decent, principled man (although he is) but because he is the only politician that promotes what we actually believe ourselves.

The reason Labour's doorstepping has been so successful isn't because we are brainwashing people when they are opening their front door. It's because the policies that Labour offers, jobs, schools and housing, are what people want. But all they hear about from the Daily Mail and Murdoch Press is that Jeremy Corbyn is a communist who is going to nationalise supermarkets and abolish money, while simultaneously borrowing so much of it the UK will go broke.

He's also apparently a cowardly pacificst who will capitulate to Russia, while contemporaneously being a viscious IRA terrorist. It's not surprising this chow mein of nonsense is easy to dispel. Expecially when you have the Tories explaining that the fact someone worked 8 hours for Uber last month and had their benefits sanctioned means they aren't unemployed.

Again with your post there is all the laughing and sneering about robotics, because you aren't one of the millions of people who's jobs have either disappeared, or are at threat from automation.

Some of the people on this forum seem to think that they are Warren Buffett because they had the good fortune to be born in the 1950s where you got to leave school and join a trade without having to incur £50k in university debt, to start a career doing jobs that simply don't exist any more for young people. Followed by being handed a council house or two by Thatcher.

Yeah robots, haha hilarious. Because no one gives a monkeys about all the van drivers and semi skilled workers who are going to be thrown on the scrapheap in the next 20 years who are well aware that their bosses have every intention of using their disprportionate wealth to purchase machines to replace them, to the point that their labour has to be cheaper than buying a machine.

Maybe you can take some of that back to your scoffing Tory friends, because it's the reason you are going to lose the next election.

Thrugelmir

.string. wrote: »

Following May's report on the status of Brexit he started off by querying May on the very things she had been talking about and explaning. He simply hadn't cottened on that she had just answered the questions he was putting. It was truly cringe worthy.

This "robot" thing is merely the latest silliness. Maybe he imagines that robots look like some sort of transformer creature working at a bench in direct replacement of a human being; I really don't know what he has in mind except that it's not real.

Corbyn cannot debte on the hoof. All has to be prepped before hand.

.string.

Arklight wrote: »

Maybe some of you Tories can explain to me why you repeatedly fail to understad that millions of us are prepared to vote for Corbyn not because he is a decent, principled man (although he is) but because he is the only politician that promotes what we actually believe ourselves.

First of all, I'm not a Tory, I've always voted for the party that I thought would do the best job and that has included both Tory and labour. The clue is in my signature. In fact I think that those who belong to just one party are no longer rationale, having stymied their thought process by swallowing their party line, abandoning a large part of being able to think for themselves. Parties have to earn my vote and, frankly, the Labour party does not cut it at present.

It's possible that Corbyn lives by his principles but I certainly don't admire them.

The assertion that it is only "millions of us" (a self-delusion by the way) that care for socially concerned policies is mere unthinking sloganising where anyone outside what is termed "the far left" is dismissed as uncaring and in the pocket of multinationals. This myopic view, bluntly, is wrong; wrong and prejudiced and, frankly, insulting to a lot of good people.

The charge is that Corbyn does not command respect in his ability to lead the country, not with me at any rate.

As for the robotic thing, that's just one symtomatic technology of many that are changing our lives, easing production, improving health, enhancing leisure and so on and bringing new openings for employment and betterment. Corbyn's remarks are akin to the concept of having a man walking in front of a car waving a (red) flag. That's not leading, that's getting in the way.

buglawton

To take but one example of what might be 'robotics'. Your next online life assurance quote will be processed by a big data/AI system that avoids the use of humans until an exception is encountered.

That is an example of electronics replacing human jobs.

Corbyn wants to identify/qualify/quantify the robotic element of this and 'publicly manage it'.

Duh!

https://diginomica.com/2017/09/29/jeremy-corbyn-really-call-robot-tax/

LHW99

Because no one gives a monkeys about all the van drivers and semi skilled workers who are going to be thrown on the scrapheap in the next 20 years who are well aware that their bosses have every intention of using their disprportionate wealth to purchase machines to replace them, to the point that their labour has to be cheaper than buying a machine.

I think this was the argument against the Spinning Jenny?

mrginge

.string. wrote: »

First of all, I'm not a Tory, I've always voted for the party that I thought would do the best job and that has included both Tory and labour.

When you're a momentum apparatchik, anyone who disagrees with the dear leader is instantly labelled a fascist Tory scumbag.