Corbynomics: A Dystopia

chucknorris

economic wrote: »

im not sure i see the rich poor divide getting bigger. i dont see any evidence. please point me out the evidence.

I think it is reaching the maximum limit it can get to without some sort of social rebellion. I think it is a factor in why we are seeing these unusual referendum/election results, some of the public have had enough and just want to rebel. It is a (minor) part of the reason why I have started selling property.

economic

chucknorris wrote: »

I think it is reaching the maximum limit it can get to without some sort of social rebellion. I think it is a factor in why we are seeing these unusual referendum/election results, some of the public have had enough and just want to rebel.

but i dont think thats rich poor divide getting bigger. its spoilt kids thinking that life is unfair. the ones who dont want to work to get anywhere in life.

chucknorris

economic wrote: »

but i dont think thats rich poor divide getting bigger. its spoilt kids thinking that life is unfair. the ones who dont want to work to get anywhere in life.

Jesus man, think again, yes that will be part of it, and even then that part is possibly a social problem where families exist in an environment without hope and that cycle needs to be broken.

But there are also people out there who can't cope through no fault of their own. My wife has a mentally disabled brother, her father has dementia and her mother (who died last year was also mentally ill now and again), if it wasn't for our (mainly hers) financial help, they would have really suffered.

ukcarper

economic wrote: »

but i dont think thats rich poor divide getting bigger. its spoilt kids thinking that life is unfair. the ones who dont want to work to get anywhere in life.

Well I'm certainly not a spoil kid and life is unfair always has been.

ukcarper

chucknorris wrote: »

Jesus man, think again, yes that will be part of it, and even then that part is possibly a social problem where families exist in an environment without hope and that cycle needs to be broken.

But there are also people out there who can't cope through no fault of their own. My wife has a mentally disabled brother, her father has dementia and her mother (who died last year was also mentally ill now and again), if it wasn't for our (mainly hers) financial help, they would have really suffered.

To many people seem to see life as black and white where as its is all shades of grey. I've been around long enough to have witness things change some for the better and some for the worse.

chucknorris

ukcarper wrote: »

To many people seem to see life as black and white where as its is all shades of grey. I've been around long enough to have witness things change some for the better and some for the worse.

I think one of the big issues is that families where living on benefits is normal to them, that way of life needs challenging, in a way where some can realise that there is a better alternative. That will involve investment, to break down that need for benefits, but care needs to be taken not to go too far. I remember back in about 1985 I had to make a decision, do I stay on invalidity benefit, or do i ditch it and plan my future? I nearly went the other way because the invalidity benefit was very generous. I know that wouldn't happen now, but we need to bear that in mind, especially if a labour party is in power.

ukcarper

chucknorris wrote: »

I think one of the big issues is that families where living on benefits is normal to them, that way of life needs challenging, in a way where some can realise that there is a better alternative. That will involve investment, to break down that need for benefits, but care needs to be taken not to go too far. I remember back in about 1985 I had to make a decision, do I stay on invalidity benefit, or do i ditch it and plan my future? I nearly went the other way because the invalidity benefit was very generous. I know that wouldn't happen now, but we need to bear that in mind, especially if a labour party is in power.

I agree the benefit system needs to be changed but finding the right balance is difficult but I think benefits are only a part of the problem.

GreatApe

ukcarper wrote: »

The divided between the rich and poor and the effect coming from a poorer area has.

I think more support needs to be giving to children and parents in poorer areas, sure start for instance, funding education properl. I don't have all the answers and I definately don't think Corbyn has them but the problem exists and ignoring it isn't the way forward.

What if the problem is primarily genetic and or being born to a certain set of parents?
I am not saying it is, I am by no means an expert on these things, but what if that is the case? Then there is not much that can be done on the government policy front

In my younger days I believed it was how hard you worked and perhaps the society and government and that children were pretty much all able and equal at birth, but in my older days I now believe its more to do with genetics and parenting.

Some people dont like that view but the way I think about it is that for a lot of people their failures are not their fault and likewise for a lot of people also their success is not their doing. Hence why I agree with and accept a social state. We should not become america with 35% of the economy run by the government nor should we become France with 55% but should stay about where we are which is in the middle of the two

There is probably, almost certainly an environmental impact of which the largest is probably food. If something can be done to increase the nourishment of the worst nourished children that would be a positive. But how do you go about doing this for say 3 year old children let alone 3 month old children. Anyway I am rambling

GreatApe

economic wrote: »

then at least dont complain about teachers low wage and inability to afford housing - given a large part of the country is poorly educated. lol

in all seriousness, education should begin with parents teaching things that school wont teach - about finances mainly. there is a severely lack of teaching in schools to teach kids about personal finance. also schools and parents should do more to teach kids that certain degrees are worthless and a waste of time - degrees should only be done to add value to a students future career.

these things should be done imo and they cost nothing to the taxpayer. i never said nothing should be done. i said that i shouldnt have to pay for anything to help the poor uninformed.

in the ideal world there will always be poor people and rich people. its never possible to have everyone rich (at least until full AI automation in EVERYTHING). but it is possible to have everyone poor (socialism).

i think the middle class need more help then the poor. they have been tax raped like anything to help support the benefits class and other huge public sector expenses in this country. and even then a lot of the middle class are doing ok. this shows this country is doing just fine and there isnt anything drastically wrong with the setup.

Poor people in the uk can live a very good healthy worthwhile life

I think we have a good balance and a good country.
A lot of the problems people have are not lack of enough money to purchase x it is self induced problems that the government doesn't care to fix and probably could not

the sad state of affairs is the left paint peoples personal failures and negatives in their life with the right not helping them enough, the right are too cowardice to say hang on a minute we live in a nice country with high wages and lots of opportunity that most failures and upsets are personally induced.

ukcarper

GreatApe wrote: »

What if the problem is primarily genetic and or being born to a certain set of parents?
I am not saying it is, I am by no means an expert on these things, but what if that is the case? Then there is not much that can be done on the government policy front

In my younger days I believed it was how hard you worked and perhaps the society and government and that children were pretty much all able and equal at birth, but in my older days I now believe its more to do with genetics and parenting.

Some people dont like that view but the way I think about it is that for a lot of people their failures are not their fault and likewise for a lot of people also their success is not their doing. Hence why I agree with and accept a social state. We should not become america with 35% of the economy run by the government nor should we become France with 55% but should stay about where we are which is in the middle of the two

There is probably, almost certainly an environmental impact of which the largest is probably food. If something can be done to increase the nourishment of the worst nourished children that would be a positive. But how do you go about doing this for say 3 year old children let alone 3 month old children. Anyway I am rambling

I don't believe it's primarily genetics although they play a part. I think parenting has a big effect but that seems to be a bigger problem now than in the past so you have to ask yourself why. I also think you underestimate peer pressure. Things have been allowed to get like this by many governments and the solutions are getting more difficult the longer the situation persists.