Corbynomics: A Dystopia

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

..In their guts people know May is the one who has been exposed as feeble over the last few weeks.

When things get a bit rough....we'll wheel out the bogey woman
Theresa May again....such a lazy argument!:)

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

When things get a bit rough....we'll wheel out the bogey woman Diane Abbott again....such a lazy argument!
In their guts people know May is the one who has been exposed as feeble over the last few weeks. Raising Diane Abbott's obvious failings is a distraction from a far more serious issue.....May will be PM on June 9th and she is clearly not up to it! You can see what she is thinking under pressure. She finds it hard to control her feelings and reacts to provocation in a way which is weak. Accepting the polls imo Amber Rudd is clearly a safer pair of hands.

No, it's not a distraction.

Abbott or Rudd?

Thornberry or Johnson?

May or Corbyn?

These and others are the choices on offer to people. You may think the sun shines out of Corbyn's rear, many more do not, me certainly. He's surrounded himself with incompetent buffoons and in one particular instance a known racist with arithmetic problems.

You need a Tony Blair who doesn't go to war illegally or you're never going to win another election again. You need a dose of the right wing in Labour, the current shadow cabinet and leader are a poor offering. Whilst the left wing may mean well, they're awful at actually doing things (and paying for them). Having a mixture of right and left policies and occupying the centre is the only way Labour are getting back into power.

LadyGMadameToThee

The militant, intolerant left strikes again.

Conrad

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You need a Tony Blair who doesn't go to war illegally or you're never going to win another election again. You need a dose of the right wing in Labour, the current shadow cabinet and leader are a poor offering.

Or the left needs a new more moderate party with a Macron as leader. I think we might see this after the GE if Corbyn or one of his Momentum disciples is in charge of Labour


The Lib Dems remain unpopular as they are far to far to the left, wallowing in competitive compassion, a 'liberalism' that brooks only one world view, that of the supine pandering progressive that wants to inflict extreme things on society and close down debate at every turn by labelling others as perpetrators and wicked. Farron is the antithesis of liberal, completely against view-point diversity.

GreatApe

westernpromise wrote: »

May is ruthless, and indecisive.

How can you be both?

Enterprise_1701C

GreatApe wrote: »

How can you be both?

I spent ages trying to figure that one out. My only thought was that someone writing such would be incapable of explaining it.

dunstonh

Earlier in the year, Philip Hammond get his fingers burnt by proposing a very small increase in NI for the self-employed. This would have been averaged around 60p a week (not unfair considering the self employed now qualify for full state pension and not basic - work approx £40pw extra). Yet there was massive outrage and it was dropped.

Corbyn is proposing an increase in corporation tax of 26%. This will affect small company owners including builders, plumbers, bakers to name a few. The Conservatives have it planned to drop to 18%.

This extra 8% difference is going to cost small business owners thousands of pounds a year. Yet you don't see any sort of outrage from business owners.

Examples.

A plumber with a profit of £24,000 a year. At 18% CT, he pays £4320 a year. At 26% CT, he pays £6240 a year. That is an extra £1920 a year tax.

A business with a profit of £40,000 a year. At 18% CT that is £7200 a year. At 26% CT, that will go to £10400 a year. An extra £3200 a year in tax.

Do small company directors realise this?

System

I don't understand how we're in this situation, why do I have to pick between Corbyn and a someone that reminds me of my mum trying to work the internet.

If the prime minister was paid a million pounds a year, would we get a higher caliber of candidate?

Filo25

dunstonh wrote: »

Earlier in the year, Philip Hammond get his fingers burnt by proposing a very small increase in NI for the self-employed. This would have been averaged around 60p a week (not unfair considering the self employed now qualify for full state pension and not basic - work approx £40pw extra). Yet there was massive outrage and it was dropped.

Corbyn is proposing an increase in corporation tax of 26%. This will affect small company owners including builders, plumbers, bakers to name a few. The Conservatives have it planned to drop to 18%.

This extra 8% difference is going to cost small business owners thousands of pounds a year. Yet you don't see any sort of outrage from business owners.

Examples.

A plumber with a profit of £24,000 a year. At 18% CT, he pays £4320 a year. At 26% CT, he pays £6240 a year. That is an extra £1920 a year tax.

A business with a profit of £40,000 a year. At 18% CT that is £7200 a year. At 26% CT, that will go to £10400 a year. An extra £3200 a year in tax.

Do small company directors realise this?

I thought the full increase didn't apply to smaller companies, the increase would only be to 21% for them

Malthusian

dunstonh wrote: »

This extra 8% difference is going to cost small business owners thousands of pounds a year. Yet you don't see any sort of outrage from business owners.

But it's not going to because Corbyn isn't going to be elected. Hammond's corporation tax increase was something that was actually going to happen. Hence the difference in reaction.

If Corbyn is elected then an 8% increase in corporation tax is the least thing small business owners will have to worry about as they are ground into the ash heap of history by the march towards a post-capitalist economy.