Corbynomics: A Dystopia

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It takes decades to put down roots somewhere, and people are not by nature, peripatetic when they have children, or often ever.

But you believe in the in hordes of transient workers following the zero hour contracts around the country like 18th Century agricultural labourers.

Doffing their caps the the landed gentry in gratitude for not outsourcing their livelihoods to Malaysia for another year while capital is concentrated in an ever smaller number of hands.

This is the free market model that you espouse. Where Thatchers shut down industries that have existed for centuries to propagate an ideological battle against the working class, only to bribe them back with free houses and 24/7 propaganda from Sky TV insisting that they vote Tory forever,

On the other hand, the places you mention are among some of the bleakest locations on the planet and why anyone would want to persist living there is beyond me.

typical that toxic toastie has no solutions for anything, just living in the faux past where everything bad is due to a women.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

But you believe in the in hordes of transient workers following the zero hour contracts around the country like 18th Century agricultural labourers.

That's just your perception of me, and probably others. I posted recently about helping my cousin to find better employment than the zero hour contract he's currently on. Nowhere have I said that I agree with or support zero hour contracts.

Doffing their caps the the landed gentry in gratitude for not outsourcing their livelihoods to Malaysia for another year while capital is concentrated in an ever smaller number of hands.

This is the free market model that you espouse. Where Thatchers shut down industries that have existed for centuries to propagate an ideological battle against the working class, only to bribe them back with free houses and 24/7 propaganda from Sky TV insisting that they vote Tory forever,

Not at all. I believe the policies introduced during Labours last terms in office have made large swathes of people dependent on the state for out of work benefits and in work benefits (such a thing should not exist!). Rather than actually trying to help these people out of poverty, you would rather tax those who escape poverty to keep generations in poverty. I don't understand where the part about helping them that you keep bleating on about comes into any of your ideology.

You really do seem to be scraping the barrel now you're starting to refer to me as supporting some form of free market serfdom, a boomer, a Thatcherite, and probably many more labels that have flown over my head.

Do you have anything concrete to say on how you believe the poor should be helped rather than ever more of the same which has kept them poor?

On the other hand, the places you mention are among some of the bleakest locations on the planet and why anyone would want to persist living there is beyond me.

Yeah, they're not great places, pumping more welfare money into the area isn't going to change that. The Labour led Welsh Assembly should think about ways to attract business there and actually help these people raise themselves up, instead of popular socialist policies to gather votes.

Fella

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_Grant

westernpromise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Facilitating the issues that these areas suffer from by handing out money isn't solving these issues

No, but it's keeping Labour's vote strong. A party that relies on the votes of clients of the state is obviously going to create as many as it can, paid for by mean-minded taxes on people who don't vote Labour anyway.

westernpromise

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It takes decades to put down roots somewhere, and people are not by nature, peripatetic when they have children, or often ever.

But you believe in the in hordes of transient workers following the zero hour contracts around the country like 18th Century agricultural labourers.

Doffing their caps the the landed gentry in gratitude for not outsourcing their livelihoods to Malaysia for another year while capital is concentrated in an ever smaller number of hands.

This is the free market model that you espouse. Where Thatchers shut down industries that have existed for centuries to propagate an ideological battle against the working class, only to bribe them back with free houses and 24/7 propaganda from Sky TV insisting that they vote Tory forever,

On the other hand, the places you mention are among some of the bleakest locations on the planet and why anyone would want to persist living there is beyond me.

Loony rant of the day.

Hello? It's 2016, not 1816. Wake up.

cells

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It takes decades to put down roots somewhere, and people are not by nature, peripatetic when they have children, or often ever.

But you believe in the in hordes of transient workers following the zero hour contracts around the country like 18th Century agricultural labourers.

Doffing their caps the the landed gentry in gratitude for not outsourcing their livelihoods to Malaysia for another year while capital is concentrated in an ever smaller number of hands.

This is the free market model that you espouse. Where Thatchers shut down industries that have existed for centuries to propagate an ideological battle against the working class, only to bribe them back with free houses and 24/7 propaganda from Sky TV insisting that they vote Tory forever,

On the other hand, the places you mention are among some of the bleakest locations on the planet and why anyone would want to persist living there is beyond me.

In the UK wealth is broadly spread out. If you look at it on a family basis (eg you dont consider the son of a multimillionaire poor even if said son has a low pay job and nothing in his name) it might even be two thirds of the population

There is already a very effective distribution of said wealth, its called marrage death and divorce so instead of things getting more concentrated the opposite is happening


so your poor comrades in arms, the young poor korbin cheerleaders who want higher taxes jump ship when they marry into or inherit wealth as many many of them will do

there is also another factor, the price of capital is crashing and will continue to do so as women have <2 children and the savings rate is still positive. you wont understand any of that but what it means is that the economy is and will much more in the future make capital worthless so those who have not much capital and buy a lot of it with their labour in the coming decades

MobileSaver

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

If the local opportunities are limited there is nothing stopping people from moving from these areas in search of greater opportunity except themselves.

For reasons they haven't yet articulated Moby and Alan_Brown disagree with this; they seem to think that people have a god-given right to live wherever they wish and if there are no jobs in the local area then the State should step in and feed, clothe and house them...

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The Welsh Assembly would be better off spending the free prescription money

Don't get me started on this; it is absolutely farcical that someone like me gets free prescriptions.

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Doffing their caps the the landed gentry in gratitude for not outsourcing their livelihoods to Malaysia

You do talk some nonsense at times.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The Labour led Welsh Assembly should think about ways to attract business there and actually help these people raise themselves up, instead of popular socialist policies to gather votes.

Less than 20% of the population speak Welsh. Getting rid of all the bureaucracy, legislation and additional costs incurred in promoting this dying language would be a good start.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

there is also another factor, the price of capital is crashing and will continue to do so as women have <2 children and the savings rate is still positive. you wont understand any of that but what it means is that the economy is and will much more in the future make capital worthless so those who have not much capital and buy a lot of it with their labour in the coming decades

a good example of this is that houses in London and SE will become worthless so don't bother to buy there.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

People should be worried by Corbynomics beause it is a real possibility.

I had thought I wouldn't vote Labour at the next election because I really do believe that a Labour with Corbyn in charge would be a economic disaster.

However, if May continues with this grammar school !!!! I will vote Labour and sod the economic consequences.

westernpromise

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

People should be worried by Corbynomics beause it is a real possibility.

I had thought I wouldn't vote Labour at the next election because I really do believe that a Labour with Corbyn in charge would be a economic disaster.

However, if May continues with this grammar school !!!! I will vote Labour and sod the economic consequences.

No you won't, and if you did, it wouldn't make any difference.

Labour is 99 seats behind the Tories now and needs to gain 117 or so to gain a majority after boundary changes. If it retakes every SNP seat or goes into coalition with the SNP (the prospect of which lost Labour many seats in 2015), then it still needs to take 50 to 60 English seats from the Tories. The 60th most vulnerable English Tory seat has something like a 20+ point Tory majority over Labour, and there is simply no message from Corbyn that's going to convert all those Tories into Labour voters. These are seats that even Blair couldn't win. Any votes Labour gains from having a loony for leader will be in seats it already holds.

There is no way back for Labour in 2020 or in 2025. By 2030 this will a dead issue and one of those on which people wonder why there was ever any debate, in the same way that nobody can remember now why CND ever existed.