Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

It must also be said that Labour local government and hence Labour authority control of education have all been aimed at keeping these people badly educated, benefit-dependent, and thus perpetually, irredeemably poor. This keeps them voting Labour, because being badly educated, they believe Labour's propaganda that it's the party for the poor. It is, but only in the sense that McDonald's is the place for a Big Mac. So the mugs keep voting themselves more of the same.

Cynon Valley is 71% state dependent, which makes the entire area economically roughly similar to the agriculture of the USSR - although the comparison's not quite right because although private farms in the USSR produced 28% of the food they only had 1% of the land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Soviet_Union#Agriculture

- which is the public sector for you.

Cynon Valley is state dependent because of a former large population which serviced industry now having to live in a post industrial landscape.
Should the people of Cynon Valley just get on their bikes and ride them to wherever there are jobs. How trite!

Moby

MobileSaver wrote: »

I can only see scorn being poured (quite rightly) on malingerers... do you think we should be offering them tea and cake instead?

Luckily for society generally some of us try to understand and help those less fortunate. You should try it sometime instead of condemning.

Alan_Brown

MobileSaver wrote: »

You are (apparently) new around here, some of us have been on MSE for 10 years or more and a lot can change in that time. I'm certainly a lot wealthier now than when I joined this site. Regardless, do you think millionaires don't like to save money too? (Hint: they do! )

So you (and I guess the other chap) are claiming to be millionaires? Interesting.

However, you'd have to be multi-millionaires in order to not require the NHS for such things as cancer treatment that could run into hundreds of thousands of pounds. Are you both multi-millionaires?

MobileSaver wrote: »

I can only see scorn being poured (quite rightly) on malingerers... do you think we should be offering them tea and cake instead?

It's the definition of malingerers that's the issue. It seems that anyone who isn't an internet millionaire like yourselves falls into this camp. As a non-internet millionaire myself, I find it difficult to accept the status of maligerer.

Moby

MobileSaver wrote: »

I never said they have a genetic predisposition to laziness. The ones I know personally are malingerers, they could work but choose not to instead letting the state pay their way for them.

No I would not be the same in their situation. I am not from that area but my girlfriend is; she like me is a worker and we've worked hard to get where we are today. Her attitude to life is chalk and cheese to that of her relatives and as mentioned previously she is extremely embarrassed by their abuse of the system.

I am sure there are some on Merthyr Tydfil estates that are simply down on their luck and things haven't gone their way. However for you to suggest that none are parasites abusing the system is just you generalising and allowing your leftist views to cloud your judgement.

There are parasites everywhere....like I said I live in the London suburbs....many of my neighbours are business people who only declare a small proportion of the money they earn for tax purposes. They still expect the same level of public services however that the rest of us pay for.Cash in hand mate;).

MobileSaver

Moby wrote: »

Should the people of Cynon Valley just get on their bikes and ride them to wherever there are jobs.

For the record, do you believe everyone in the Cynon Valley has a god-given right to be supported by the state so that they never have to leave the same village they were born in for the rest of their lives?

Or do you believe they should take responsibility for their own future and consider moving or commuting to where there is work?

MobileSaver

Moby wrote: »

Luckily for society generally some of us try to understand and help those less fortunate.

I and most right-minded people are all for helping those that are genuinely in need through no fault of their own.

Alan_Brown wrote: »

As a non-internet millionaire myself, I find it difficult to accept the status of maligerer.

Seriously?!?! Am I understanding you correctly that you do not believe there are people out there who choose not to work and instead expect the state to pay for their food, clothing and a roof over their head?

Alan_Brown

MobileSaver wrote: »

For the record, do you believe everyone in the Cynon Valley has a god-given right to be supported by the state so that they never have to leave the same village they were born in for the rest of their lives?

Or do you believe they should take responsibility for their own future and consider moving or commuting to where there is work?

Is there no middle ground where a government has the responsibility to regenerate areas, especially those areas that have lost industry because of government policy?

Is the answer really that those young enough to move away and get jobs should do so, leaving everyone else in a post-industrial ghost town?

Alan_Brown

MobileSaver wrote: »

Seriously?!?! Am I understanding you correctly that you do not believe there are people out there who choose not to work and instead expect the state to pay for their food, clothing and a roof over their head?

Do you believe that we should demolish the welfare state in order to prevent a small minority of people from misusing it?

Are you so far into the wealth delusion that you don't believe you would ever need to use this safety net yourself and so it can be safely dismantled and not impact you?

Moby

MobileSaver wrote: »

For the record, do you believe everyone in the Cynon Valley has a god-given right to be supported by the state so that they never have to leave the same village they were born in for the rest of their lives?

Or do you believe they should take responsibility for their own future and consider moving or commuting to where there is work?

For what record?:rotfl:
Personal responsibility is necessary but there is a world of difference between that and condemning people as malingerers like you are. Environment is crucial to circumstances and social mobility. A middle class kid attending a private school and with interested parents gets far more life chances than the deprived kid in Cynon Valley. Like you said yourself the kid in Cynon Valley is probably being raised in circumstances where their parents dont work and dont have contacts on the grape vine to encourage their kids. Some escape by using their background as an incentive but most dont. They end up in crime, on drugs, in prison, pregnant young etc etc because they know no better. When born they are just like you and me....not genetically predisposed to failure....but then life happens and for many..... life aint good. Understanding is what's needed.....not condemning.

Moby

MobileSaver wrote: »

I and most right-minded people are all for helping those that are genuinely in need through no fault of their own.

I was waiting for this response. I bet you do charity work as well.....for the deserving poor that is. How utterly Dickensian. Do all you 'right thinking people':rotfl:have a measure by which you assess who is at fault and who deserves the largesse from your table?