Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Mistermeaner

Moby wrote: »

Its all froth. The Tories are in until 2015........a lot can happen between now and then. Despite the glee at Labour infighting from our tory contributors there are plenty of events on the horizon to affect the mood. The fightback by the Labour moderates is strangely having a positive effect for many in the party. People thinking it will be the same as the 80's are mistaken in my view. The mood is not the same. There is a determination to stay and fight. There will be no schism.
The strategy is to do whatever we can to disrupt the govmts programme and things are beginning to happen there. The tax credit rebellion was the start and rumours of significant climbdown on the Trades Union legislation are positives. Its quite an exciting time actually despite the election. Our local party has 700 new active members as well. The only downside is Scotland, Labour wont be trusted there for years methinks but London is different and I reckon we'll have a Labour mayor back soon!

A pressure group rather than a party of power

Moby

Mistermeaner wrote: »

A pressure group rather than a party of power

Really.....? Cameron of course can do whatever he wants can't he.....not! He has to watch his back and thousands of people like me will take great pleasure in making his political life and what he represents as difficult as possible. He can't even guarantee a majority on bombing Syria. It's a war of attrition and it goes on and on!

Generali

Moby wrote: »

Sorry ......I meant 2020 of course:o
Khan is respected......so is Zac but Zac can't get away from his background and what he represents. His natural constituency is narrower. He'll win the suburbs but that won't be enough to get him elected.

So only posh people will vote for Zac but everyone regardless of background will vote for Khan is your theory...?

That is what we economists call "rubbish".

IIRC you called the last General Election as being in the bag for Labour. That didn't work out so well for you.

Moby wrote: »

Your clearly manufactured 'concern' regarding Jezza's sexism shows either your agenda or your ignorance, or both. I doubt that you have ever met him. I have and he is a principled man with the right values.....sadly I agree he is unelectable.....but that is a different point. I'd rather spend my time talking to him than any other of the scum bag, self interested politicians (from all traditions) I have encountered during campaigning. You wrongly malign him imo.

Well as I am one of the biggest voters of Australian shares and consistently vote against all male boards I think it's a little harsh to describe my criticisms of Mr Corbyn as manufactured.

Mr Corbyn surrounds himself with middle-aged white men, that is not a supposition but an observable fact. His deputy his a white, middle-aged man; his senior advisors are all white middle-aged men; his senior Cabinet ministers are all white, middle-aged men.

Scumbag or not, it's completely reasonable to say that by his actions, Mr Corbyn shows himself not to want to promote people of colour and women to positions of great responsibility. Does that make him a racist misogynist? I wouldn't call him that but I wouldn't criticise someone for assuming that by his decisions. Nobody forces Mr Corbyn to pick a bunch of middle-aged white men to senior positions yet he manages to do so anyway.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I doubt that you have ever met him. I have and he is a principled man with the right values.....sadly I agree he is unelectable.....but that is a different point. I'd rather spend my time talking to him than any other of the scum bag, self interested politicians (from all traditions) I have encountered during campaigning. You wrongly malign him imo.

do his principles show clearly by his support for the IRA
and his u-turn on Trident, student fees, NATO, EU etc etc.

but I do agree, he is probably more interesting than any boring policitician with consistent well thought out views

Moby

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QUOTE=Generali;69482194]So only posh people will vote for Zac but everyone regardless of background will vote for Khan is your theory...?

That is what we economists call "rubbish".

IIRC you called the last General Election as being in the bag for Labour. That didn't work out so well for you.

Didn't actually say that only posh people would vote for him and no that's not my theory.

Just giving an opinion of course and one based on actually living in London and based on knowing Zac's campaign manager as my previous MP......who by the way we managed to sling out in May ....so it wasn't all bad news for us!
In any event I thought it was going to be close nationally, (either way)..... I was wrong but so were most including those polling sources you post.

Well as I am one of the biggest voters of Australian shares and consistently vote against all male boards I think it's a little harsh to describe my criticisms of Mr Corbyn as manufactured.

Mr Corbyn surrounds himself with middle-aged white men, that is not a supposition but an observable fact. His deputy his a white, middle-aged man; his senior advisors are all white middle-aged men; his senior Cabinet ministers are all white, middle-aged men.

Scumbag or not, it's completely reasonable to say that by his actions, Mr Corbyn shows himself not to want to promote people of colour and women to positions of great responsibility. Does that make him a racist misogynist? I wouldn't call him that but I wouldn't criticise someone for assuming that by his decisions. Nobody forces Mr Corbyn to pick a bunch of middle-aged white men to senior positions yet he manages to do so anyway.

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Sorry don't agree, don't really care what your personal record of diversity is. After all it's all just talk really. One thing I am sure of though is that your obsession with Corbyn and how negatively you paint him from ignorance is rather telling. Also don't forget his deputy is female and half of his cabinet is female. Didn't mention that did you in your 'balanced' assessment of him did you;)

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Sorry don't agree, don't really care what your personal record of diversity is. After all it's all just talk really. One thing I am sure of though is that your obsession with Corbyn and how negatively you paint him from ignorance is rather telling. Also don't forget his deputy is female and half of his cabinet is female. Didn't mention that did you in your 'balanced' assessment of him did you;)[/QUOTE]

yes, the people who make the decisions (even if they change by the week) are white men and the people that make the tea are ladies even if one is a live long IRA supporter.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

do his principles show clearly by his support for the IRA
and his u-turn on Trident, student fees, NATO, EU etc etc.

but I do agree, he is probably more interesting than any boring policitician with consistent well thought out views

I wondered how long it would take for the other half to appear:p
He isn't a robot with a micro chip in his head....he's a rebel, always has been. He's a campaigner, always has been. He accepts dissenting views within the party. I respect him for those things. Labour has to have a big debate. This always happens after a defeat. It's hardly a suprise. Now Clapton seriously.......got anything original to offer? or is it going to be the same old repeated mantra?

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

Sorry don't agree, don't really care what your personal record of diversity is. After all it's all just talk really. One thing I am sure of though is that your obsession with Corbyn and how negatively you paint him from ignorance is rather telling. Also don't forget his deputy is female and half of his cabinet is female. Didn't mention that did you in your 'balanced' assessment of him did you;)

yes, the people who make the decisions (even if they change by the week) are white men and the people that make the tea are ladies even if one is a live long IRA supporter.

What on earth are you drivelling on about now.....'tea making ladies'....'live long IRA supporter'.....whatever mate. Seriously anything original to offer Clapton?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I wondered how long it would take for the other half to appear:p
He isn't a robot with a micro chip in his head....he's a rebel, always has been. He's a campaigner, always has been. He accepts dissenting views within the party. I respect him for those things. Labour has to have a big debate. This always happens after a defeat. It's hardly a suprise. Now Clapton seriously.......got anything original to offer? or is it going to be the same old repeated mantra?

Has he a long history of being an IRA supporter?
Why do you admire such a person?
He now refuses to discuss the issue : do you admire this refusal to honestly discuss his own firmly held convictions?

Being a rebel doesn't make some-one a 'decent ' person :
Refusing to discuss his own unpopular views makes him a scumbag.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

Has he a long history of being an IRA supporter?
Why do you admire such a person?
He now refuses to discuss the issue : do you admire this refusal to honestly discuss his own firmly held convictions?

Being a rebel doesn't make some-one a 'decent ' person :
Refusing to discuss his own unpopular views makes him a scumbag.

Absolute tosh....you know nothing about his convictions and are just defining him by your own prejudices.........repeating them time and time again. Nothing new to offer then....thought so!