How Much is a Corbyn?

Thrugelmir

michaels wrote: »

I am sure that was just a meeting of bierdo's anonymous in 1975...although given that being hirsute has become de rigueur for hipsters perhaps this is just another example of Corbyn being ahead of his times?

Actions speak louder than words.

Mr Corbyn caused outrage in the weeks after the Brighton bombing in 1984 by inviting Mr Adams and other members of Sinn Fein to the Commons.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

* I say this as an SNP voter who can see the big dangers he poses to the SNP in terms of winning votes back from them.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Running the country requires a little more than having status as you would from winning X-Factor. Doesn't mean the person has the full range of skills to perform the job satisfactorily.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Running the country requires a little more than having status as you would from winning X-Factor. Doesn't mean the person has the full range of skills to perform the job satisfactorily.

I meant in pulling Labour leftwards. Burnham and the new Scottish Labour leader in particular have already had to backtrack and start making vague noises about nationalisation/rail , and 'sharing the same values as Jeremy'. I've already posted in another thread that there are many Scottish ex-Labour voters who aren't that fussed on independence, but voted SNP due to their other policies. Corbyn is offering a lot of the same. But on a unionist platform.

If he succeeds in holding the party together, as well as instituting policies which enthuse ex-Labour supporters as much as the SNP ones do. Then yes, the SNP may find there are a lot of voters swinging back behind Labour once again.

England is a different story of course. But I think there are lots that are being enthused and re-engaging with politics once again, just as in Scotland the last few years. The referendum was the catalyst there.. Corbyn seems to be doing the same, with Labour, and perhaps eventually, with the wider electorate also. The whole thing feels very similar.

Is nothing to do with x-factor personalities. There just needs to be a focal point to start the ball rolling. Corbyn is providing that at the moment. Burham, Cooper and Kendall playing catch up, and seem almost irrelevant to an extent.

All the Labour leaders are 'unknown's' in terms of running a country. Just as David Cameron and all new Prime Ministers are or once were.

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's not 1983 anymore...

This to me is more like the SNP campaign after the referendum ( unexpected polls showing an increase in support ).. the endless, never happen, never happen, oh it might happen, let's start a media campaign saying Sturgeon is 'the most dangerous woman in Britain' and run articles about her cutting the hair off her sister's Cindy doll... oh no, it looks like it will probably happen, lets wheel out Gordon Brown to offer the 'Vow plus' yadda yadda...

Nothing dented the momentum. Imo, the same is happening for Corbyn too. His support keeps growing at unprecendented rates anyway. It all feels very familiar to those of us in Scotland. And if he can do it with ordinary Labour voters, past and present. He can certainly do it for the wider electorate. Most especially if Ukippers are 'warming' to him. IF he gets the chance since a lot of Labour 'higher ups' aren't keen on this direction, so we'll have to see how that one goes. It's a very interesting time. One that certainly didn't seem possible a few months ago.

* I say this as an SNP voter who can see the big dangers he poses to the SNP in terms of winning votes back from them. Would've been far better for us if it had been Cooper or Kendall this was happening for. But that's politics for you.

Not sure if this was posted. But according to a recent Survation poll, Corbyn is far and away the most popular candidate within the Labour party and with supporters of all other parties.

I.e. A labour leader who might actually carry an election. Which Labour are doing their best to reverse with a bunch of Blairite puppets the nation showed no interest in five months ago.

cells

He can win a general election maybe even a landslide majority he just needs to convince a small percentage of non voters to turn up and listening to some of his speeches and the way he handles questions makes me believe he can do it

Of course 5 years is a long time in politics. If he can keep the party together and his health doesn't fade too rapidly we could see the man as PM come 2020. His age I thought was his biggest weakness but if he promises not to stand for a second term maybe the centre ground of the party will back him. If the choice is corybn or Osborne surely they will go with corybn?

CLAPTON

It may well be that the non Scottish parts of the UK will adopt the Scottish wisdom and see that borrowing and more borrowing is the answer to every question.

Or maybe they won't; only time will tell.

michaels

cells wrote: »

He can win a general election maybe even a landslide majority he just needs to convince a small percentage of non voters to turn up and listening to some of his speeches and the way he handles questions makes me believe he can do it

Of course 5 years is a long time in politics. If he can keep the party together and his health doesn't fade too rapidly we could see the man as PM come 2020. His age I thought was his biggest weakness but if he promises not to stand for a second term maybe the centre ground of the party will back him. If the choice is corybn or Osborne surely they will go with corybn?

Even though politically they are closer to osbourne?

Mistermeaner

Can't see Cornyn getting in if it looks like he's rallying the non voters to his lunatic cause then the centre and sensible will also come out in droves.

Either way I'm hoping to have my mortgage paid off before the next ge so as to in part proof myself against future lunacy

If he does get in God help the economy, business, anyone who wants to work and basically anyone who either owns or uses stuff.

cells

michaels wrote: »

Even though politically they are closer to osbourne?

We are emotional beings even if we think we are not

I can't see labour splitting. Divided they have no chance at all

Also were I a centre ground labour MP I would believe corybn if he said he would only stand one term simply due to his age he would be very unlikely imo to stand a second GE.

Also importantly corybn would need the support of his centre ground MPs and they would stop his most stupid ideas. That is to say it wouldn't even come to a vote, internally they would just say we wont support this crap just drop it or look a fool when it doesn't pass.

Of course if corybn could win some sort of super majority he might not need his moderate MPs nkw that would be scary. If the SNP can get a near full house of MPs nothing seems impossible

cells

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Can't see Cornyn getting in if it looks like he's rallying the non voters to his lunatic cause then the centre and sensible will also come out in droves.

Either way I'm hoping to have my mortgage paid off before the next ge so as to in part proof myself against future lunacy

If he does get in God help the economy, business, anyone who wants to work and basically anyone who either owns or uses stuff.

Those who vote will probably not change how they vote much (although what UKIP voters will do is unknown). Those who don't vote in large numbers probably will be much more likely to vote for him than not especially the young 18-25 age group

But even if he gets in he doesn't inherit dictator powers he needs to get laws through which means anything controversial could be blocked by the blairites