How Much is a Corbyn?

BobQ

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Didn't the CLP's throughout the UK endorse Corbyn as well, over the other three candidates ? How do you equate that to 'ordinary people out there' ? Branches of long standing Labour memberships themselves were more in favour of Corbyn. As are most of the Unions.

Shaken, I agree with Hamish's post.

CLPs throughout the UK did endorse Corbyn but that does not mean all CLPs endorsed him or that all members of a CLP supported him.

More CLPs supported Burnham and Cooper in total than supported Corbyn.

I agree that the £3 offer is a disaster for Labour. It has certainly allowed some genuine Labour voters to express a view but it has also allowed an unholy alliance of left wingers in other parties and right wingers to undermine the process. They are unprincipled people who lied on their application, but the process should have been tauter.

I hope I am wrong, put it seems to me that Labour is about to embark on a period of self-indulgence much worse than the Foot years. A period when it will let down its core supporters and fail to offer a credible alternative to its potential supporters who voted for other parties in 2015 and 2010.

It matters very little to me personally, but this is really an attempt by the fanatical left to fight the battles of yesterday.

Shakethedisease

BobQ wrote: »

Shaken, I agree with Hamish's post.

CLPs throughout the UK did endorse Corbyn but that does not mean all CLPs endorsed him or that all members of a CLP supported him.

More CLPs supported Burnham and Cooper in total than supported Corbyn.

I agree that the £3 offer is a disaster for Labour. It has certainly allowed some genuine Labour voters to express a view but it has also allowed an unholy alliance of left wingers in other parties and right wingers to undermine the process. They are unprincipled people who lied on their application, but the process should have been tauter.

I hope I am wrong, put it seems to me that Labour is about to embark on a period of self-indulgence much worse than the Foot years. A period when it will let down its core supporters and fail to offer a credible alternative to its potential supporters who voted for other parties in 2015 and 2010.

It matters very little to me personally, but this is really an attempt by the fanatical left to fight the battles of yesterday.

I think if that's what Labour voters, members, supporters, unions, MP's. MSP's and affliates want to do.. ( fight the battles of yesterday ), then mabye it's time to get it over with once and for all. It seems to have been bubbling under the surface since the latter Blair years.

There are probably just as many think Labour has moved much too far to the right, as those who think they've moved too far to the left. Imo most of these 'new joiners/re-joiners are just ordinary people in the main. Corbyn's struck a chord somewhere. With the real 'hard left' activists, and Tory 'joined for fun infiltrators' a tiny amount.

Labour's more than likely heading for a split. Whether Corbyn wins or not now. If he does, half the party won't support him. And if he doesn't, a fair proportion of voters will leave, once and for all this time, for other parties or not bother voting again ( a la the last election Green/SNP/UKIP/none of the above ).
I'm afraid offering a credible alternative "to its potential supporters who voted for other parties in 2015 and 2010". is seemingly at the moment, actually Corbyn himself. Hence the crowded rallies, the 100,000's of new members and the huge momentum he is generating. He IS the alternative.

*I didn't mean it to come across that I thought all CLP's endorsed him. Just that he got more CLP's endorsing him than any of the other three. That says a lot. And was before all this 'purge' nonsense too. He got more support overall than the other three members.

BobQ

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think if that's what Labour voters, members, supporters, unions, MP's. MSP's and affliates want to do.. ( fight the battles of yesterday ), then mabye it's time to get it over with once and for all. It seems to have been bubbling under the surface since the latter Blair years.

Of course, it is their right. A sad end to a party. Time goes on and those who think that they want an electable party will soon start another party as happened with the SDP or join the Lib Dems.

One thing I will dispute though is you keep referring to the unions supporting Corbyn. Unions are their members and do not all support him. The views of the leadership of unions are not necessaraily representative of the rank and file.

There are probably just as many think Labour has moved much too far to the right, as those who think they've moved too far to the left. Imo most of these 'new joiners/re-joiners are just ordinary people in the main. Corbyn's struck a chord somewhere. With the real 'hard left' activists, and Tory 'joined for fun infiltrators' a tiny amount.

Probably true.

....... actually Corbyn himself. Hence the crowded rallies, the 100,000's of new members and the huge momentum he is generating. He IS the alternative.

Yes Corbyn is an alternative. But as I said it is an act of self indulgence by those drawn to his message in failing to learn the lessons of history.

*I didn't mean it to come across that I thought all CLP's endorsed him. Just that he got more CLP's endorsing him than any of the other three. That says a lot. And was before all this 'purge' nonsense too. He got more support overall than the other three members

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Fair enough. I do not know if CLPs balloted their members on this or if the endorsement was just the branch committee.