Working Fewer Hours

BoJangles_2

sxcizme3010 wrote: »

No its because I dont agree with your ideology on social security.

Yes because you know so much about my ideologies!! I forgot!

pmlindyloo

Mmmm

According to this

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/446106/dmgch34.pdf

34655 onwards

you can only be sanctioned if it is the current employment that you voluntarily leave not the previous one.

Since you would still be working then you could put in a claim for JSA. Your earnings would be deducted from the JSA except for a £5 disregard.

Hope I've read it correctly!

No chance of another part time or more hours with the 8 hr one? That's the best option as I'm sure you are aware.

In your position being unhappy needs to be defined (no judgement intended) - just in case they decide on a sanction you would need to show good reason. eg it was not financially viable because of travelling expenses/you were not being paid the NMW etc etc. (good reasons also explained in the link)

taylor8571

sxcizme3010 wrote: »

Oh I do - the forum is excellent for help and advice and its a shame a few have to judge and spoil it but it doesn't bother me. I dont even believe what most of them put about saving up 70k for a mortgage and buying 2 cars in cash - (aimed at me as Im in debt) but then said she struggles on 60k... Just trolls trying to upset people really

Many people are in debt, god knows I am, and so are many with mortgages and cars, the world lives on debt. I had a conversation with my mum the other day and basically she said that in the 70's when she was a single mother and working and claiming a benefit top up she was ridiculed, she said that she said it was the norm to attack people who claimed any sort of benefit, so much so that people were frightened to admit to being on any sort of benefit for fear, she said the government made it so that if the people were busy attacking each other they would be less likely to take any interest in the 'other' things the government was doing, she said she see's it pretty much the same now, people attacking others who claim (for whatever reason) her exact words were 'if you were on benefits then you were a scrounger' and its come full circle, back to people attacking people on benefits.

I do know many who have bought and paid for their houses and cars with cash, whilst working and earning little money, but they are a lot older than I am and house prices were 'very' cheap, for instance my nan bought her house for £2000 back in the day, it was relative to earnings of course but still very affordable and sold for a 'huge' profit n the 80's and I mean 'huge' but those days are gone.

I think debt and benefits are similar, its relative to the individual, everyone's circumstances are very different.
"don't judge my path if you haven't walked my journey"
this saying sums it up really, I just wish some would take note of this when being a bit judgemental, as sometimes the story behind the post runs a lot deeper than 'how much money can we get for doing nothing?'
Don't take it to heart, these people do not know nor care for you, as long as you are not doing anything illegal or immoral I would ignore those who grab the chance to put you down.
Sorry rant over ;-)

rogerblack

pmlindyloo wrote: »

you can only be sanctioned if it is the current employment that you voluntarily leave not the previous one.

This is my understanding too.
If you're working - at all - then you cannot be sanctioned.

Even if it's an hour a week.
You may however be required to seek (more) work - especially under universal credit.

I don't think - yet - there has been any legislation - even for UC - that requires you to not move jobs to a lower waged job.
You may be required under UC to seek (more) work if you end up earning under 35*NMW - but it is only not doing the required actions that would lead to a sanction.

Similarly with JSA - but as I understand it the limit is purely your JSA award, as at this point you come off JSA.

sxcizme3010

taylor8571 wrote: »

Many people are in debt, god knows I am, and so are many with mortgages and cars, the world lives on debt. I had a conversation with my mum the other day and basically she said that in the 70's when she was a single mother and working and claiming a benefit top up she was ridiculed, she said that she said it was the norm to attack people who claimed any sort of benefit, so much so that people were frightened to admit to being on any sort of benefit for fear, she said the government made it so that if the people were busy attacking each other they would be less likely to take any interest in the 'other' things the government was doing, she said she see's it pretty much the same now, people attacking others who claim (for whatever reason) her exact words were 'if you were on benefits then you were a scrounger' and its come full circle, back to people attacking people on benefits.


I do know many who have bought and paid for their houses and cars with cash, whilst working and earning little money, but they are a lot older than I am and house prices were 'very' cheap, for instance my nan bought her house for £2000 back in the day, it was relative to earnings of course but still very affordable and sold for a 'huge' profit n the 80's and I mean 'huge' but those days are gone.

I think debt and benefits are similar, its relative to the individual, everyone's circumstances are very different.
"don't judge my path if you haven't walked my journey"
this saying sums it up really, I just wish some would take note of this when being a bit judgemental, as sometimes the story behind the post runs a lot deeper than 'how much money can we get for doing nothing?'
Don't take it to heart, these people do not know nor care for you, as long as you are not doing anything illegal or immoral I would ignore those who grab the chance to put you down.
Sorry rant over ;-)

Exactly - but I already been told off for going off topic lol , OP - from what I read on here it will be more hassle than its worth claiming JSA - Can you not try to get more work or do 2 jobs? I wouldnt claim JSA until I was absolutely desperate to be honest - the amount of rings you have to jump through is ridiculous. Hope you get sorted out

beecher2

A claimant can only be sanctioned if they have voluntarily left the employment that
they held immediately before making a claim for JSA. What the claimant has done
in any jobs prior to the last job they held before making the JSA claim is irrelevant.

I read that as meaning the job the OP intends leaving.

rogerblack

beecher2 wrote: »

I read that as meaning the job the OP intends leaving.

Not quite - if you have any job, this is your 'current' job.
Even if you had more than one job beforehand.
Actually having a job excludes you from sanctions from leaving work, because you have not left work.

beecher2

rogerblack wrote: »

Not quite - if you have any job, this is your 'current' job.
Even if you had more than one job beforehand.
Actually having a job excludes you from sanctions from leaving work, because you have not left work.

Sorry, I'm missing where it says current. I can only see employment preceding the claim. OP should probably get definitive advice from an expert before leaving job

rogerblack

beecher2 wrote: »

Sorry, I'm missing where it says current. I can only see employment preceding the claim. OP should probably get definitive advice from an expert before leaving job

You need to read down to the second half of 34655.

"Note, if the claimant has voluntarily left employment and has not had any employment as an employed earner between doing so and making a claim for JSA, then he can be sanctioned..."

In the above case - he has had (or will have) subsequent employment as an employed earner before making a claim for JSA, so he cannot be sanctioned.

Any employment - even for one hour - as an employed earner - that you did not leave of your own volition or through misconduct or ... - will mean you can't be sanctioned for leaving the employer before - even if it was through resigning, punching the boss or setting fire to the place.

BoJangles_2

Even if I didn't like the job I was in I would not put myself in a worse off position (especially not to claim jsa). My advice would be to hang on in there until something more appropriate comes along.