NHS Weekend Working and Sunday Trading?

elantan

lostinrates wrote: »

so, like some other professions, they have to prove ongoing continual learning. Seems appropriate. The registration fee is lower that some other professions annual fee if that fee is correct.

And what are the wages/conditions etc of these other professions?

remorseless

elantan wrote: »

And what are the wages/conditions etc of these other professions?

possibly worse?
Chef: 13k working also bad hours and not much security

Lorry driver: 18k but they get the joy of going through Calais

Call Centre: 13.5K also working on 24x7 thinking to be undercut from abroad any day now

Andy_L

elantan wrote: »

But I do know they have to study hard for it for the 45 weeks out of 52 for 3 years

but then they're not paying tuition fees & will get some level of bursary from the NHS, or even be on a secondment if they've previously worked as an HCA: swings & roundabouts really

elantan wrote: »

and then continually prove they are studying in order to meet theri registration requirements ... and they have to pay their registration fees ( think its £125 every two to three years ... not sure though)

so like other professionals then

Andy_L

elantan wrote: »

And what are the wages/conditions etc of these other professions?

If you're in the NHS, much the same . Although to make up for not having the "dealing with life & death decisions" weighting in job evaluation then, to get the same money, you need more/higher experience/qualifications

wotsthat

remorseless wrote: »

indeed!!!! and let me guess, fire them becomes impossible, blah blah
GREAT system!

If people have to do occasional crappy shifts but get paid a flat wage sickies thrown are more likely to be thrown on the days when crappy shifts fall.

The payment for unsocial hours is an incentive for people to actually work those crappy shifts. If you use a flat rate then that incentive isn't as visible and therefore less effective.

This isn't unique to nursing. It's just an understanding of human nature.

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elantan wrote: »

So they work a 37.5 hour week and because their wages are not that good land up doing banking or agency nursing in order to make ends meet ?

Thats very sad tbh, no one should have to do that

I don't think my wife has ever earned that little; because salaries don't usually include the extras - London weighting and unsociable hours (Weekends/Nights).

So the 'base' salary may be £21k, but they'll earn a few more grand within their job by working nights or weekend shifts. I'm not say it's right, and as my wife managed to move up to a band 7 over the course of the 10 years she's been nursing (and had 2 years off in that for babies)

Still, it's not quite as good as a tube driver..

elantan

remorseless wrote: »

possibly worse?
Chef: 13k working also bad hours and not much security

Lorry driver: 18k but they get the joy of going through Calais

Call Centre: 13.5K also working on 24x7 thinking to be undercut from abroad any day now

I know people that have worked in call centres, they certainly didnt need to pay a registration fee, Chefs also ... I know chefs that dont pay a fee, cant comment on lorry drivers though

elantan

Andy_L wrote: »

but then they're not paying tuition fees & will get some level of bursary from the NHS, or even be on a secondment if they've previously worked as an HCA: swings & roundabouts really




so like other professionals then

In England the bursary is means tested as are other qualifications, when they are on placement they have to work 37.5 hour weeks on the ward as well as doing their own paid job as the bursary isnt much at all £548 a month wouldnt even cover my mortgage for instance, they also have to study and hand work in ... so its not just placement is it ?

lisyloo

But I do know they have to study hard for it for the 45 weeks out of 52 for 3 years

This sounds fairly standard.
It's not a highly paid profession, but it doesn't sound that different to what lots of other people do.

elantan

No most uni courses are 35 weeks ... in fact my last uni course was 24 weeks and 9 hours a week and that was full time .... One of the reasons I chose it tbh

They get 3 weeks off at Xmas two weeks in easter and two in the summer ... the rest is spent in Uni or on placement ... from what I am told