Benefit cuts timetable

john539

bloolagoon wrote: »

Do you know how much statements like that frighten people! Some have mental health conditions and scaremongering damages them far more than anything else.

Pity the clueless Tories don't think of this and how much their statements frighten people !

The Tories are directly responsible for this & have whipped this up.

GirlFromMars_2

So, the citizen advice benefit cap impact assessment is scary reading and that was before they factored in the £20K limit outside of London.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/CitizensAdvice/welfare%20publications/Benefit%20Cap%20Impact%20Assessment%20%281%29.pdf

Factoring in lower £20K limit
https://twitter.com/cabrachael/status/618396137091923968/photo/1

I was really quite shocked to discover that ESA-WRAG claimants are subject to the cap, as are carers, and Incapacity Benefit claimants. (ESA-Support Group, DLA and PIP claimants are exempt.)

With the lower cap, many families with just 1 or 2 children will be affected.

The benefit cap will affect many families where nobody can reasonably be expected to move into work, as either they are a lone parent caring for a child under five, are pregnant, or are too ill to work as certified by ATOS and have been placed in the WRAG.

I kind of assumed before looking into the stats, that this was aimed at Large Families, where adults could work. This doesn't appear to be the case at all, and this is a large net that is going to catch many reasonably sized families where adults are temporarily out of work, or otherwise unable to work through no fault of their own.

zagfles

woodbine wrote: »

correction they are looking to cut the welfare by £12 billion a YEAR

Correction? What needs correcting?

They are looking to reduce welfare so that in 3 years time the annual welfare bill is £12 billion lower than it is now. So what I said was correct, the £12 billion in cuts will be over the next 3 years.

You didn't seriously think they are planning to reduce it by £12 billion this year, another £12 billion next year, and another £12 billion the year after, so the annual bill is £36 billion lower in 3 years time did you :rotfl:

bloolagoon

zagfles wrote: »

Correction? What needs correcting?

They are looking to reduce welfare so that in 3 years time the annual welfare bill is £12 billion lower than it is now. So what I said was correct, the £12 billion in cuts will be over the next 3 years.

You didn't seriously think they are planning to reduce it by £12 billion this year, another £12 billion next year, and another £12 billion the year after, so the annual bill is £36 billion lower in 3 years time did you :rotfl:

It's also phased and includes tax avoidance too

zagfles

GirlFromMars wrote: »

So, the citizen advice benefit cap impact assessment is scary reading and that was before they factored in the £20K limit outside of London.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/CitizensAdvice/welfare%20publications/Benefit%20Cap%20Impact%20Assessment%20%281%29.pdf

Factoring in lower £20K limit
https://twitter.com/cabrachael/status/618396137091923968/photo/1

I was really quite shocked to discover that ESA-WRAG claimants are subject to the cap, as are carers, and Incapacity Benefit claimants. (ESA-Support Group, DLA and PIP claimants are exempt.)

With the lower cap, many families with just 1 or 2 children will be affected.

The benefit cap will affect many families where nobody can reasonably be expected to move into work, as either they are a lone parent caring for a child under five, are pregnant, or are too ill to work as certified by ATOS and have been placed in the WRAG.

I kind of assumed before looking into the stats, that this was aimed at Large Families, where adults could work. This doesn't appear to be the case at all, and this is a large net that is going to catch many reasonably sized families where adults are temporarily out of work, or otherwise unable to work through no fault of their own.

The benefits cap is similar to the child benefit withdrawal for high earners. These are the two most popular welfare reduction policies, because they are easy to understand, and they tackle what some might see as excess in the system, when it often isn't.

Good, fair benefits policy is usually far too complicated for Sun readers to understand, so they come up with simplistic policies like these to appeal to simpletons. Full of unfair anomilies, but with a nice clear soundbite attached.

That's the trouble with democracy. Soundbites gets you votes, proper analysis of facts and figures don't. Because most people are too stupid to understand the facts and figures.

Miroslav

I'm worried.

I can only work 22 hours per week @ £6.95 p/h, due to a medical conditon and get £69 p/w WTC due to originally getting the job 2 years ago after coming off of ESA, so have the disability element.

I get no housing benefit or council tax credit.

Losing that £69 would be a disaster.

GirlFromMars_2

zagfles wrote: »

The benefits cap is similar to the child benefit withdrawal for high earners. These are the two most popular welfare reduction policies, because they are easy to understand, and they tackle what some might see as excess in the system, when it often isn't.

Good, fair benefits policy is usually far too complicated for Sun readers to understand, so they come up with simplistic policies like these to appeal to simpletons. Full of unfair anomilies, but with a nice clear soundbite attached.

That's the trouble with democracy. Soundbites gets you votes, proper analysis of facts and figures don't. Because most people are too stupid to understand the facts and figures.

It is really scary how policy filters down to what will look good splashed across a trashy newspaper headline. The benefit cap was created specifically as a soundbite, it was never intended to stand up to scrutiny as they knew the soundbite would get them votes.

I guess our only hope is that enough Conservative MPs realise what kind of devastating effects this will produce in their communities & vote against it. Sadly the benefit cap is such a great sound bite, even the Labour party thinks it's a policy they should be a part of.

This policy makes no sense at all, and will only push families (small families!) and children into poverty. As a developed first world country we should be desperately ashamed.

Sadly people are far too quick to jump on the "but I can survive on £20K" bandwagon, without comparing their situation to the lives of the people who will actually be affected by the cap.

If we thought the Bedroom Tax was bad, that was nothing in comparison to this.

Confuseddot

The benefits cap is only kicking for most people due to expensive housing costs.

The housing benefit bill is too high and needs to be cut, would be interesting to see if the landlords lowered their prices to take these cuts into account ..

But hopefully unlike the bedroom tax people will plan in advance of the cut.

GirlFromMars_2

Confuseddot wrote: »

The benefits cap is only kicking for most people due to expensive housing costs.

The housing benefit bill is too high and needs to be cut, would be interesting to see if the landlords lowered their prices to take these cuts into account ..

But hopefully unlike the bedroom tax people will plan in advance of the cut.

From here https://speye.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/the-disabled-are-exempt-from-the-benefit-cap-not-even-severe-disablement-allowance-exempts/

Universal Impacts

• Couple with 2 children will receive at most £132.58 pw / £574 pcm in housing benefit
• Lone parent with 3 children will receive at most £107.30 pw / £464 pcm in housing benefit
• A couple with 3 children will receive £63.44 pw / £274 pcm in housing benefit
• Lone parent with 4 children will receive £41.14 pw / £178 pcm in housing benefit
• A couple with 4 children will receive zero in housing benefit

The overall benefit cap reduces housing benefit first and that is how it works. THEN, but only then it reduces other social security benefits.

• The couple with 4 children will have all of their housing benefit removed and lose £1.72 per week in other benefits.
• The lone parent 5 child household will lose all housing benefit and then a further £27.01 per week and the couple with 5 children will lose all housing benefit and a further £68.87 per week

The £20K cap will affect even relatively small families in many areas.

Including families on ESA-WRAG and Single Parents with children under school age.

Yes, the Housing Benefit Bill needs to come down, but this is not the way to do it.

Confuseddot

GirlFromMars wrote: »

From here https://speye.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/the-disabled-are-exempt-from-the-benefit-cap-not-even-severe-disablement-allowance-exempts/


The £20K cap will affect even relatively small families in many areas.

Including families on ESA-WRAG and Single Parents with children under school age.

Yes, the Housing Benefit Bill needs to come down, but this is not the way to do it.

Am sorry if you can't pay for the kids don't have them harsh and sore on the kids.

Obviously the lone parents will be getting csa for the kids and those in a couple/family well one or both could work.