Council tax deductions HELP PLEASE

fed_up_and_stressed

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

My issue isn't with getting a 'freebie', but about transparency on MY money. If I'm handing money over, I want to know exactly where it goes and what it goes on. I'm not overly keen that I had to hand over money for services not yet received, such as grit for the winter and when there was a grit shortage, there was no 'refund'.

Snort now i know this is a windup.

Please let me know how your conversation with the fire brigade goes

"My house didn't burn down this year so i want a refund of my fees to you".

mickaveli2001

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

Sigh ... I'll repeat myself .. If the streetlights are on. ..there is tarmac on your pavements .. you have a local police force and fire brigade ..their is "your proof":T

I can go to the bank tomorrow, borrow £1000 for a laptop, then ask my mother for £1000 on the basis of getting a laptop. Does it automatically mean my mothers £1000 has been used for the laptop?


You clearly have no understanding of how the council operates. They borrow the bulk of the funding. You think it's fair for us to be paying the interest due to their mismanagement? Or to be paying more for less services each year?


The fire brigade point is completely different.


How about providing the raw materials, and doing the very sorting and recycling we still pay the council to do? They would provide us with another 3 bins for various recyclables and we would all willingly do the work we pay them for without question. Madness

NYM

You can choose to refuse to pay a legitimate demand from your local Council, but please, do not suggest that anyone else follows your lead...

fed_up_and_stressed

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

I can go to the bank tomorrow, borrow £1000 for a laptop, then ask my mother for £1000 on the basis of getting a laptop. Does it automatically mean my mothers £1000 has been used for the laptop?

no one is asking you to pay twice


The fire brigade point is completely different. why ?


How about providing the raw materials, and doing the very sorting and recycling we still pay the council to do? They would provide us with another 3 bins for various recyclables and we would all willingly do the work we pay them for without question. Madness no its easy it costs councils more to dispose of unsorted waste via landfill / burning compared to disposal via recycling. In fact with recycling they may get money back from the companies they sell it to - meaning lower rises in council tax or more money to spend on essential services

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stevemLS

NYM wrote: »

You can choose to refuse to pay a legitimate demand from your local Council, but please, do not suggest that anyone else follows your lead...

The penalty for culpable refusal being a short spell in gaol, and you still owe the money when you come out.

Honestly, haven't see such a lot of twaddle in years (not this poster, I'm sure s/he knows who this is directed at - I wonder if they also expect central government to account in the same way for the various direct and indirect taxes most of us pay).

mickaveli2001

It's not a legitimate demand when they can't supply a legitimate bill. If Vodafone were to send you a demand for £200, would you just blindly bend over and pay it? Probably, but most wouldn't. They would seek further accounting info, a break down of costs.


I have it in black and white that the council have removed all accounts under my name. Those who can't get their head around it (which takes YEARS to do so) call it "twaddle", but after a lengthy on-going legal battle, I have it in black and white

beecher2

Most people would see their council tax payment as a contribution to services which they may or may not use. They realise they're part of a community and I'd hope most people are happy to contribute to education, libraries etc both through income tax and council tax. Perhaps your comments are more for the 'debate house prices and the economy' or 'discussion time'.

mickaveli2001

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

Answers in red above

You are paying twice if councils borrow the bulk of the money. Do a simple FOI request. Even the councils themselves will tell you they borrow the bulk of the money to fund our services.


"The penalty for culpable refusal" - I have never "refused" to pay my council tax. Refusal would lead to a summary warrant being granted. I have always offered to pay my council tax bill on receipt of a legitimate bill, which they cannot do

mickaveli2001

beecher2 wrote: »

Most people would see their council tax payment as a contribution to services which they may or may not use. They realise they're part of a community and I'd hope most people are happy to contribute to education, libraries etc both through income tax and council tax. Perhaps your comments are more for the 'debate house prices and the economy' or 'discussion time'.

Perhaps it is. I am all for 'doing my bit' for the community, and if we all were putting into a 'big pot' that was then used to fund the services solely (which is what I used to think happened) then I'd be all for it. I'm not into paying twice, or handing over money for something that's already been borrowed

NYM

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

It's not a legitimate demand when they can't supply a legitimate bill. If Vodafone were to send you a demand for £200, would you just blindly bend over and pay it? Probably, but most wouldn't. They would seek further accounting info, a break down of costs.

I'd argue that Vodaphone had no right to bill me....I don't have a contract with them to supply me with a service. If it was O2 that sent the bill, I'd pay it because I do have a contract with them.

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

I have it in black and white that the council have removed all accounts under my name. Those who can't get their head around it (which takes YEARS to do so) call it "twaddle", but after a lengthy on-going legal battle, I have it in black and white

Then post up a copy with your personal details redacted. Otherwise, people will continue to think you're just one of those eccentric 'Freeman' types.