MONEY MORAL DILEMMA: Should Fernando pay for Lewis' service?

balajo

Let's face it, the property belongs to Lewis. At the end of the day, he can sell it, is Fernardo going to get a piece of that sell. Of course not. It's like a mortgage and you invited your partner to live with you. He or she contributes in his or her way, whether its his/her company or tidying up or contributing to rent. But if you sell it, I don't think that person thinks the other one is going to get the proceeds. What the person contributes is within his her purview. If you invited someone expecting a contribution, don't. You are setting yourself up for a big fall. that person may appreciate it but has their own concerns and budget, If I was taking the bus, it doens't help to get a ride and pay for the mot at the end of the day. Personally, I would give something if I was Fenardo but he is not obligated to pay nor should he be expected to pay.

BigDude

Well er yeah!!! No dilemma a decent person would offer to pay towards all running costs without the need to be asked. Or its hasta la vista and catch the next bus 'mate'...:rolleyes:

janbanan

I'm assuming Fernando is already paying half of the petrol costs?

I also think he should offer to pay a portion of the maintenance costs, considering Fernando spends almost as much time in the car as Lewis. For that reason it seems irrelevant to me whose car it is.

If Fernando was asked and refused, I would find this a bit ungrateful and rude.

chewie1969

Fernando should offer an amount of money to Lewis, he knows cars & fuel & running costs dont grow on trees. and he's happily sat in the comfort of his pals car, allowing his pal to pick him up & take him to work everyday & dont forget he's had a nice lay in too, as the journey is much shorter. I think if i was in the same situation, i'd be very happy for F to pay a third, then we can work out what he should pay each week or each journey going forward. You dont get owt for nowt in this world & you should always offer to pay your way. If F had been paying his way all along, the situation would not have arose. I think he's been taking his friend for granted.

OneSpike

I think F should make a contribution over and above petrol costs. It costs a fortune to run a car and there's no reason L should expect to be wholly altruistic in offering F a lift as he is providing him with a service vastly preferable to using public transport. Perhaps L should levy a weekly or monthly charge that takes into account all his costs in giving F a lift? Or perhaps F could do something for L in return?

mistdemon

Geoff_W wrote: »

A few years ago when I was still at work, staff were encouraged to car-share. However, some concerns were raised over insurance cover if it was discovered the driver was accepting payment from a passenger. It could be construed by the insurance company that the driver was operating a taxi service and therefore invalidated his/her 'domestic' policy.

The scheme eventually foundered when one car-share driver was involved in an accident and his passenger sued him for damages!

Geoff

That shouldn't really be an issue, its covered by ABI policy...
"Giving Lifts - All ABI motor insurers have agreed that if your passengers contribute towards your running costs your insurance cover will not be affected, as long as lifts are given in a vehicle seating eight passengers or less. This agreement does not apply if you make a profit from payments received or if carrying passengers is your business." (Source: ABI website, 2005)

Making a profit is usually defined as anything over the Inland Revenue advisory mileage allowances...

Also, unless the driver you mentioned got his insurance from Honest Bob's Bargain Bucket Insurance Emporium (Proudly Knee-capping our Claimants since 1986) he would have probably have been covered for claims from passengers anyway...

That said, i wouldn't personally ask for contributions if it was a journey I was doing anyway, that's what mates are for...although i'd be tempted to spike his beer with laxatives if he didn't chip in occasionally! :rotfl:

cjb02

Lewis should have been taking some thing for each ride not asking Fernando for half of the repairs. I have given people lifts in the past to work and they have always offered some cash for each journey or some cash each week.

If it becomes as issue with Fernando then I would not ask for money from him for the repairs but in future they would be paying a set amount on each journey.

mandarinduck

This is tricky and my OH was in a similar position. He was paying £60 a month for a bus pass to get to and from work and then found out someone he worked with lived reasonably near us (well, a twenty minute walk). He got offered a lift home a few times and it got him back a lot quicker than his 90 minute public transport commute. But then it reached a stage where the lifts were getting regular and my OH was paying for a bus pass (which he still needed to get TO work and home if a lift was not available) and a contribution to petrol. In the end he canned it as it was more expensive and too confusing. Not to mention his colleague 'forgot' about him and set off on a couple of occasions leaving him stuck.

Anyway, I'm drifting off the point but I think what I'm saying is that if a contribution is being made towards petrol the driver is probably better off straight away, unless they go out of their way to collect the person. If that person still has to pay bus fees etc for when they don't get a lift, it will get costly to start demanding maintenance too. I think the petrol money is more than fair.

The_Dragon

It should be noted that asking for payment means that the car owner would have to register as a taxi (with all the increases in insurance, servicing of the vehicle 4 times a year etc). I believe by law only payment in kind is acceptable any monetary payment is a no-go!

Dr_Ali_G

Me thinks Fernando, should take a walk.
Unternatively divide Fernando's weight by the axel weight of the car, mulitply by 4.345, then divide by the calorific value of petrol (23'456 megajoules). Hey presto, Fernando owe's £15,694.45.

Qualification,
I did used to work in accounts for enron.