Uncle Henry's PCN

Grandad123

The parking facility is underground below a large building containing flats, some offices and a couple of medical practices. The only shop is a Chemists.


The main town centre is not far away but an invalid would find it very difficult to use this car park for any shopping as it is two floors below street level.

Grandad123

Hi Umkomaas
The PPC involved is CPM (UK CAR PARK MANAGEMENT)


I am trying to find my way round the forum. If I do a quick reply does that branch of just to you or does it appear back in the main thread.


I think I've answered that as I've just done it

Grandad123

To The Deep. As of now they do not know Uncle Henry's identity only mine as I don't want an 84 year old getting hassled.

Ralph-y

can you post up (after redacting any identifying bits) the appeal that you sent to POPLA?

Ralph:cool:

Umkomaas

Grandad123 wrote: »

Hi Umkomaas
The PPC involved is CPM (UK CAR PARK MANAGEMENT)


I am trying to find my way round the forum. If I do a quick reply does that branch of just to you or does it appear back in the main thread.


I think I've answered that as I've just done it

All in the main thread.

You can beat UKCPM at POPLA - but you'll have to add to that which you've already submitted.

Grandad123

Hi Ralph-y. Have saved my form as an XPS document and am not sure how to import it in to the forum so I will just copy the text part, which you will see is one of my ramblings.




My car was parked in the appropriate place as I was taking an elderly patient to his doctor. There was obviously a disability wallet on the dash board but the wallet had inadvertently closed. I suppose the operative could not ensure the badge was valid but he could have easily either waited a few minutes or contacted the surgery to check the badge validity if that was his concern. The allotted area for invalidity parking was otherwise empty so I was not taking up any space that could be used by another patient. It is pretty obvious that there was no intent to deceive or contravene the parking restrictions but just a small lack of care on my part, so lesson learnt. I have proof of the patients appointment and the validity of his badge but I suppose this is not in question. I feel the £100 charge is wholly inappropriate to the so called offence and is purely punitive and not in the spirit of management of the parking as I was parked appropriately.
On reflection it is a bit wishy washy.

ampersand

op - you still haven't understood what '3rd person' means when writing - no 'I' or 'my' which gives away who was driving.

Not 'I was taking', 'my car was parked' , 'I was not taking'.....

As for 'check the badge validity if that was his concern' - why would they chuck the chance of another £100 from easily scared people?

These scumpanies and their bottom-of-the-heap employees are bounty hunters.

Learn how to beat them at their own game. You have Uncle's Blue Badge onside, but use the vocabulary correctly, tweaking your follow-up popla letter using the many examples you can find here.

Have you clicked the links in Umkomaas's #5 yet?

Look - Redx has pointed you to these:
NOT A GPEOL
NO CONTRACT WITH LANDOWNER
POOR SIGNAGE

NO MITIGATION, as per several posts already.
Remember: 'The registered Keeper', not 'I'.

'The car was parked' not 'I parked the car'.

Grandad123

Hi Redx. I am not too confident in arguing the GPEOL point as this seems to be rather complicated as per the Beavis case. I will leave that to the legal eagles.


I will try to get some info on the contract the PPC has with the landowner but that might be difficult as the building is very multifunctional. I don't expect the doctors surgery to be the landlord but they might point me to who is.


Thanks for all the advice and I will try to compose a more 'legal' response to POPLA and add it to my original appeal. With lots of bullet points.

ampersand

Let us see it first, please.

Headings should be in bold, with reasoning below. 'Lots of bullet points' will not be necessary.

You are writing a rebuttal document on points of Law. Make the assessor your friend with clear, simple language, well laid out.

That's where we'll help.

Grandad123

Hi Ampersand. Take it easy on an old git. I take the point about 'I' but I am not trying to wriggle out of being there, I don't want to descend to their level. I want to look them in the eye not hide behind PO boxes and jiggery pokery.


The "check validity point" was a bit tongue in cheek but I suppose that would be lost on the Adjudicator