Motorway Speed limits?? (in red lit circles)- are these strict to camera fines ??

AltheHibby

"Yes, set to 70"

I thought they were off when the limit was set to 70. Or to put it another way, I haven't heard anything since the time I looked down and realised I was going to fast for my own liking (and that's after taking into consideration the known overread on my speedo)

Never mind, answered above. Must read posts before I ask questions next time.

Astronaughtwannabe

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

In which case you can again get the case kicked out of court.
If the detection equipment states 53mph then this is what must be stated on the prosecution paperwork. The figure can't just be amended to take in to account an error that may be present with the equipment used.

There's no requirement for the detected speed to be published on the 'prosecution paperwork. Your post is factually wrong. The offence is speeding, not speeding by x%

BeenThroughItAll

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

In which case you can again get the case kicked out of court.
If the detection equipment states 53mph then this is what must be stated on the prosecution paperwork. The figure can't just be amended to take in to account an error that may be present with the equipment used.

Again, you've read something I didn't say.


I didn't mention stating anything on any paperwork, just pointed out that 51MPH may well relate to 53MPH on the display - but it's still 51MPH.

alleycat`

Car_54 wrote: »

Under the ACPO guidelines, you'd only be ok up to 56mph. 57mph (110% plus 2) is the starting point for enforcement.

That's my point.

If that was a safe assumption and the lorries were calbirated correctly (see another reply which suggests possibly they are not) then they shouldn't be able to achieve that speed to be prosecuted.

The fact 30% of prosecutions on the M62 section are HGVs suggests that the cameras are set lower or all of the prosecutions are on the east bound "downhill" section (which i seriously doubt but i could be wrong).

I believe the article i saw suggested 53mph was the approx speed you'd be done at by these cameras.

Judging by the way i have been tailgated through this area numerous times it surprises me not a jot they are getting done left right and centre if said speed is truely the enforcement value.

On a side note:

It would be interesting to know how the police would react if said HGV's are breaking that 56mph restriction (especially westbound which is uphill on or around that M1 intersection).

andygb

Car_54 wrote: »

Under the ACPO guidelines, you'd only be ok up to 56mph. 57mph (110% plus 2) is the starting point for enforcement.

I got three points for doing 56 in a 50 zone four years ago.

Car_54

andygb wrote: »

I got three points for doing 56 in a 50 zone four years ago.

As has been said above, they are only "guidelines". 51 in a 50 is an offence.

shaun_from_Africa

Astronaughtwannabe wrote: »

There's no requirement for the detected speed to be published on the 'prosecution paperwork. Your post is factually wrong. The offence is speeding, not speeding by x%

If you opt to attend court, the actual speed at which the camera or other equipment measured is read out as part of the prosecution's case.
This is why I specified a court case in my earlier posts and not where you get a NIP and opt for the fixed penalty & points resolution.

TonyMMM wrote: »

Really depends on the equipment - laser speed devices are extremely accurate, to fractions of an mph for example.

The main reason for the ACPO guideline on prosecution thresholds comes from the in accuracy of vehicle speedometers, and to avoid just this type of marginal argument.

I agree that laser equipment is very accurate but as with any electronic device, the accuracy can change over time hence the reason for regular calibration.
The 2% accuracy I referred to earlier is to allow for errors in the police's detection equipment and not motorist's speedometers (which legally have no tolerance for under-reading)

robbies_gal

i done a speed awareness course and was told they dont do plus extra% thats just a myth if you go over youre over

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

robbies_gal wrote: »

i done a speed awareness course and was told they dont do plus extra% thats just a myth if you go over youre over

Police do, courts don't.

Either your lecturer was misinformed or he was making a different point. However, driving to the limit, not some optimistic interpretation of the rules is the right thing to do, then if you do drift over you are still in safe territory.

Driving last Sunday, I had the driver in front suddenly brake to 40mph when they spotted a speed camera - even though it was clearly a 60mph limit. I don't believe his speedo was overreading by that much - and I was ready for the same trick at the next camera in a 50 where the same thing happened.

robbies_gal

if you say so ian this is what i was told that neither thepolice nor courts do an extra percentage anymore