why isn't it illegal to leaflet car windscreens?

mickaveli2001

The postage idea sounds like a good idea

wealdroam

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

wealdroam wrote: »

That's an interesting starting point. Are you saying that we can make our own laws as we go along?

No, if you read the post what it states is that if private parking companies can make their own laws, then so can the people.

Ah... so you are saying we can all make up laws as we go.

Ridiculous.

kaybo69

Littering would be the act of the driver. It's akin to opening your front door and throwing all your junk mail out on to the pavement

wealdroam

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

Criminal offense and crime are 2 different things though. Something we should be aware of

Sorry, you'll have to explain that one too.

Or did you perhaps mean that a criminal offence is not the same as a civil offence?

foxtrotoscar_2

wealdroam wrote: »

Sorry, you'll have to explain that one too.

Or did you perhaps mean that a criminal offence is not the same as a civil offence?

Please don't encourage him!

mickaveli2001

wealdroam wrote: »

Ah... so you are saying we can all make up laws as we go.

Ridiculous.

"What's good for the goose is good for the gander"? Your belief is that it's OK for 'some' people to make up their own laws, but for others not to? You appear to have no issues with private companies making up their own laws, which is ridiculous.


A crime and criminal offense though can in some instances mean the same, are recognized as 2 different entities entirely in law. A crime is harm to another, but criminal offenses can be created whereby no harm is committed to another. Not having a TV license for example, which is why they can't claim that not having a TV license is a crime, and label it a criminal offense. Murdering someone can be a criminal offense, but is most certainly a crime. It can't be explained any easier, but then this is why gaining any qualification in law would take an extremely long time

wealdroam

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

"What's good for the goose is good for the gander"? Your belief is that it's OK for 'some' people to make up their own laws, but for others not to? You appear to have no issues with private companies making up their own laws, which is ridiculous.

You are putting words into my mouth. At no time have I said it's ok for anyone to make up laws. It definitely is not ok for private parking companies, for example, to make up their own laws, but even if they did, it certainly does not mean that everyone else can do so too.

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

A crime and criminal offense though can in some instances mean the same, are recognized as 2 different entities entirely in law. A crime is harm to another, but criminal offenses can be created whereby no harm is committed to another. Not having a TV license for example, which is why they can't claim that not having a TV license is a crime, and label it a criminal offense. Murdering someone can be a criminal offense, but is most certainly a crime. It can't be explained any easier, but then this is why gaining any qualification in law would take an extremely long time

If you say so.

I'll just quote from the Oxford English Dictionary:



They state a crime is an offence.

Interesting to see that the example the OED give suggests that shoplifting is a crime, but your explanation might lead us to think that, as no-one was hurt, it couldn't be a crime.

By the way, the word is offence.

geerex

TBagpuss wrote: »

What do you think the car park owner can do to stop it?
Unless it is a gated and lockable area , or one with a full time attendant, then there is very little they can do. If you drop it on the ground you are littering.Not to mention the fact that once you drop the litter it may blow anywhere - so you are causing problems for people who are totally unconnected with either the original leaflet-er or the car park.

The suggestion of sending it to the organisation being advertised, with underpaid postage is far better as it hits the perpetrator, not another victim or the general public who have to deal with you dropping litter.

He says that he throws it on the floor, so I presume that this must be happening in indoor car parks.

mickaveli2001

wealdroam wrote: »

You are putting words into my mouth. At no time have I said it's ok for anyone to make up laws. It definitely is not ok for private parking companies, for example, to make up their own laws, but even if they did, it certainly does not mean that everyone else can do so too.



If you say so.

I'll just quote from the Oxford English Dictionary:



They state a crime is an offence.

Interesting to see that the example the OED give suggests that shoplifting is a crime, but your explanation might lead us to think that, as no-one was hurt, it couldn't be a crime.

By the way, the word is offence.

Private companies resort to the assumption that you 'agree' to 'contract' when you park your car because of a sign they put up. That is the same as you or I placing a notice on our porch window that claims anyone knocking on the door is subject to a £5 knocking charge. The latter sounds ridiculous, yet your are perfectly fine with the first?


No court, barrister or lawyer in this country uses or ever will use Oxford dictionary to define their terms. Stroud's judicial dictionary, Goode's commercial law, 5th edition of Halsbury's Laws of England, Stones Justices manual, materials all endorsed by the law society are some of the materials used. As I said before, A crime and criminal offense are 2 different entities, though a criminal offense can be a crime 'if' consensual liability of the applicable statute permits it to be. IE; being in possession of cannabis isn't a crime, but a criminal offense (No harm caused, but recent legislative measures put in place makes it a criminal offense)


crimes under our current law jurisdiction (harm caused to another or breaching contractual agreement) are judge generated. Everything else is legislative rules that are consensual

wealdroam

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

Private companies resort to the assumption that you 'agree' to 'contract' when you park your car because of a sign they put up. That is the same as you or I placing a notice on our porch window that claims anyone knocking on the door is subject to a £5 knocking charge. The latter sounds ridiculous, yet your are perfectly fine with the first?

No. Once again, I have never said that.
Why are you continuing to spout such drivel?

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

No court, barrister or lawyer in this country uses or ever will use Oxford dictionary to define their terms.

Wow!
So you are now speaking on behalf of the entire legal profession.
You mention 'this country'. I can only assume you are not in any part of the UK.

I am not going to continue to feed you, but perhaps you should write to the OED so that they can correct their publication. I am sure they will be grateful for your wisdom.