Any driving instructors here?

Mercdriver

Driving instructors frequent this forum:

http://www.2passforum.co.uk/index.php

27col

Pay for properly qualified instruction. Then supplement this by giving the learner as many hours practice as you can fit in. There is absolutely no substitute for for experience actually driving in traffic. Hazard perception will only come with experience.
I have, for a long time, thought that people should not be allowed to drive a car unless they have done sometime as a two wheeled driver. Then you appreciate the hazards from both points of view.

Astronaughtwannabe

Vejovis wrote: »

My son is learning to drive the MSE way, with me teaching him.

It's been quite a few years since I did my test so I just wondered whether some of the rules are the same.

Mainly

Not crossing your arms when turning the wheel
Not letting the wheel spin back through your hands
Do you actually have to turn your body to look out the back when reversing, or can you use the mirrors?
Do you have to put your handbrake on every time you stop at a junction?

Hope someone can help. Thanks

Yes you can cross your arms, what matters is safe effective control. It's not a test fail per se to cross your arms. Letting the wheel spin back isn't always done safely by learners, that's why push/pull is taught.


Yes you can use your mirrors but using them alone when you could be turning around could result in failure because you are probably not taking effective observation.

Nope, you don't have to apply the handbrake at every junction, only when it's needed. If stopping at traffic lights for more than a few moments then it's expected that it'll be applied. The reason is that if you get shunted the handbrake might curtail some roll away into (say) oncoming traffic post impact.

lottyxx

lister wrote: »

Would help if you managed to quote the highway code correctly though:

From rule 174: " However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right."

Notice the 'only' I have highlighted. So if your exit road isn't clear, you should not enter the yellow box, because it is not only oncoming/waiting traffic that is preventing your manoeuvre.

A perfect demonstration of the benefits of a professional set of eyes...

i got it from here

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-of-red-routes/yellow-box-junctions


i drive in central london alot and people do not stick in any way shape or form to the rules i think alot do not even know the highway code exists.

Cornucopia

lister wrote: »

Would help if you managed to quote the highway code correctly though:

From rule 174: " However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right."

Notice the 'only' I have highlighted. So if your exit road isn't clear, you should not enter the yellow box, because it is not only oncoming/waiting traffic that is preventing your manoeuvre.

A perfect demonstration of the benefits of a professional set of eyes...

Is your smiley meant to imply your reply is sarcastic?

Obviously the rule means you are allowed to (and hence should) enter the box and wait inside the box IF you are only stopped from proceeding by the things mentioned. Since both of those things imply that the exit is blocked, I suggest that in this case, the blocking of the exit is irrelevant.

The way I understand your explanation, there would be no point in having the rule at all (always a bad sign in an explanation) because the behaviour you suggest is exactly the same as basic yellow box procedure.

Car_54

Cornucopia wrote: »

Is your smiley meant to imply your reply is sarcastic?

Obviously the rule means you are allowed to (and hence should) enter the box and wait inside the box IF you are only stopped from proceeding by the things mentioned. Since both of those things imply that the exit is blocked, I suggest that in this case, the blocking of the exit is irrelevant.

The way I understand your explanation, there would be no point in having the rule at all (always a bad sign in an explanation) because the behaviour you suggest is exactly the same as basic yellow box procedure.

No, the point here is that you are allowed to enter the box to turn right if you stopped from proceeding by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right, but NOT if stopped by stationary traffic or any other obstruction in the roadyou're going to enter.

Iceweasel

Car_54 wrote: »

No, the point here is that you are allowed to enter the box to turn right if you stopped from proceeding by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right, but NOT if stopped by stationary traffic or any other obstruction in the roadyou're going to enter.

I agree - that's my understanding of the situation too.

Cornucopia

Okay - assuming you can see it, of course.

Vejovis

Thank you again for the helpful replies.

My son has already passed his CBT and was riding a 125 until an idiot driver knocked him off. So he certainly understands the need to look out for bikes.

We've been going two weeks now (maybe three, can't remember), and he's doing well IMO. Ensuring he's keeping with the road conditions, not holding up other drivers, nailed the parallel parking and reversing around the corner, ensuring he reaches 60mph on the only A road in the area (I know that's definitely on the test since the road was build a couple of years ago) if the road conditions allow.

Despite some of the naysayers, I'm pleased with my teaching, and his learning. But we will still be using an instructor for the finer points.

matttye

Car_54 wrote: »

Something may be legally permissible, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily sensible or safe. If you enter a junction (yellow box or not) where the exit is blocked, you're in danger of being stuck in the middle when the lights change. I have seen that happen on test, which did not end well.

That's fine. When the lights change just proceed and complete your turn. That's the whole point of waiting in the junction, so that once the lights change the oncoming traffic stops, allowing you to complete your turn.