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  • Shelldean
    Shelldean Posts: 2,418 Forumite
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    Umkomaas wrote: »
    Perceptive or what? :rotfl:

    30,000 (yep, thirty thousand) court papers issued in 12 months by PE might suggest that the odds are slightly less favourable.

    But even with those numbers, we estimate that only 1 in 10 gets to the court stage with PE.

    Yes yes I get it, am slow of the uptake due to being middle of a migraine.

    Thanks for all the help and advice offered. I'll await further correspondence from them and come back when that happens
  • Shelldean
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    Next installment....

    Came back from holiday at weekend to letter regarding this matter. From a debt recovery firm.
    Nothing has been received from the parking company other than the original windscreen ticket.

    The thing is our address is slightly incorrect, but enough that letters could end up in another house. So maybe that's why no other letters have been received?
    Not sure how this one got through as its incorrectly addressed too.

    For example.
    We live at 72 Santa grove, Elfin street.
    Letter addressed to Santa grove, 72 Elfin street.

    There actually is a 72 Elfin street. And there has been confusion in the past, usually Sainsbury driver trying to give us their shopping us one or two letters over the years. Although that's their stuff coming to us I don't know if anything of ours has gone to theirs. I do know when I give postcode and house number to various companies, they often say oh Elfin street. And I have to correct them and say actually it's 72 Santa grove, Elfin street. So some systems obviously don't recognise our address


    So what next?

    1. Continue to ignore and hope that if it does go to court the papers don't go 72 Elfin street so we are unaware of the court date and.therefore can not defend.

    2.Call debt collectors and explain?

    3. ??????
  • Shelldean
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    No thoughts ???
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,348 Forumite
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    I suggested in my earlier post that this might well shoot through to debt collectors. So there you go!

    In reality the address used by the PPC will be the one used by the debt collector - I suspect all transfer of data between them is electronic. Once they start using the one address, they're not likely to change it - but for peace of mind you just might want to check with the occupiers of the other address.

    Now debt collectors are on the case you're in full ignore mode. Only take notice of a Letter Before Claim/Action issued by the PPC (or their solicitors - Gladstones -probably - as they are inextricably tied in with the IPC) or real court papers - come back if you get any of these. But, we don't need to know about any subsequent debt collector papers as we've seen them all before, and the advice remains the same - IGNORE.

    DO NOT TELEPHONE a PPC or a debt collector - EVER!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • Shelldean
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    Umkomaas wrote: »
    I suggested in my earlier post that this might well shoot through to debt collectors. So there you go!

    In reality the address used by the PPC will be the one used by the debt collector - I suspect all transfer of data between them is electronic. Once they start using the one address, they're not likely to change it - but for peace of mind you just might want to check with the occupiers of the other address.

    Now debt collectors are on the case you're in full ignore mode. Only take notice of a Letter Before Claim/Action issued by the PPC (or their solicitors - Gladstones -probably - as they are inextricably tied in with the IPC) or real court papers - come back if you get any of these. But, we don't need to know about any subsequent debt collector papers as we've seen them all before, and the advice remains the same - IGNORE.

    DO NOT TELEPHONE a PPC or a debt collector - EVER!


    Ok thanks.

    My only concern is that if they take the matter to court and we don't receive the papers as they have been sent to the incorrect address.
  • Umkomaas
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    Suggestion:

    Print out some 'Please redirect to (your correct address):' Avery labels to give to the occupier of the other premises and ask if anything is for you to stick a label on it and push it back in a postbox.

    Has any of this stuff so far gone to the 'wrong' address?
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Shelldean
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    Umkomass.

    No idea if other stuff has gone there or not. No other letter that we've been expecting hasn't arrived.
    But we've had.No NTK, which I can presume is down to the letter being addressed incorrectly, if it was sent at all. The NTK may not have been sent?
    I will pop a note through their door as it's just up the road.
  • ManxRed
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    PE have, unfortunately, a bit of history in trying to get CCJs against people who they suspect don't live at the address they are using for correspondence. If they have the faintest inkling that they are sending documents to the wrong address, they may well try it on here.

    Maybe I'm being cynical to suggest that they do this deliberately but hey ho.
    Je Suis Cecil.
  • Umkomaas
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    @ ManxRed - This PPC is PCM UK (the reference earlier in the thread to PE was in the context of comparing their gross litigiousness compared to PCM UK's VERY few court appearances).

    @Shelldean - I'd be more inclined to knock their door than try to explain all of this in a note. But I suspect that nothing from the PPC has gone there, especially as the debt collector letters have been delivered to the right address. I don't think they've issued a NtK. And you're not going to get one now!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Shelldean
    Shelldean Posts: 2,418 Forumite
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    ManfRed

    The PPC isn't PE it is as Umkomaas states PCM, Parking control management.


    Umkomaas, I have spoken to them previously, quite a while ago though, we've lived here 18+ years and this problem periodically raises it ugly head.
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