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  • Shelldean
    Shelldean Posts: 2,418 Forumite
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    Umkomaas


    Can I ask why your signature says not to ignore these charges, I thought that was always the preferred method of dealing with them?

    I know my OH believes ignoring them is the best plan.

    I presume it's all to do with them challenging things in court recently?
  • Umkomaas
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    Shelldean wrote: »
    Umkomaas


    Can I ask why your signature says not to ignore these charges, I thought that was always the preferred method of dealing with them?

    I know my OH believes ignoring them is the best plan.

    I presume it's all to do with them challenging things in court recently?

    It was the preferred method prior to October 2012. Lots of things have changed since!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • Shelldean
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    Umkomaas wrote: »
    It was the preferred method prior to October 2012. Lots of things have changed since!

    October 2012...wow that long ago.

    To be fair I never keep with these things as we haven't had to deal with them previously. And again being honest this all really the HA fault for not detailing exactly where parking was allowed, hence reason I tried them first.


    Hopefully this is our first and last encounter with a PPC:(
  • Half_way
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    Important: what does you lease say about parking ?
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
  • Shelldean
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    Half_way wrote: »
    Important: what does you lease say about parking ?

    It's rented so no lease. However I will dig out our rental agreement if I can find it as we've lived here over 17 years.
  • Redx
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    Shelldean wrote: »
    Ok thank you. I will await their next move, was just hoping that as they hadn't sent out a NTK within the correct timeframe it was game over. And I could relax knowing I'd have that to throw them.


    So we will wait.

    its only "game over" when one of the following happens

    1) you pay up (lol)

    2) they cancel it - yeah right !

    3) the landowner or managing agent cancels it

    4) 6 years have passed (small claims court rules and statute)

    as for ignoring or appealing, since 2012 , in england and wales, you appeal to the PPC, then its down to you if you appeal further or ignore (ignore is for 6 years, or until a court case)
  • Shelldean
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    Redx wrote: »
    its only "game over" when one of the following happens

    1) you pay up (lol)

    2) they cancel it - yeah right !

    3) the landowner or managing agent cancels it

    4) 6 years have passed (small claims court rules and statute)

    as for ignoring or appealing, since 2012 , in england and wales, you appeal to the PPC, then its down to you if you appeal further or ignore (ignore is for 6 years, or until a court case)



    1. OH refuses to pay
    2. No correspondence been entered into yet, but too late to appeal so probably not worth appealing now.
    3. Landowner, the housing association, well actually their agent, my housing officer refuses to get involved.
    4. Am hoping they don't choose the court route but guess now the ball is rolling we'll have to wait and see where it ends up?



    Gonna be a long six years :/ are they likely to take us to court do you reckon?
  • Umkomaas
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    Gonna be a long six years :/ are they likely to take us to court do you reckon?

    Check these out:

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/court-cases-2014-2014.html#comment-form

    http://crtcases.appas.org.uk/htdocs/court_tabular.php

    This is no guarantee what might or might not happen in the next six years. We are volunteer helpers, not clairvoyants! :rotfl:
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Shelldean
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    Umkomaas wrote: »
    Check these out:

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/court-cases-2014-2014.html#comment-form

    http://crtcases.appas.org.uk/htdocs/court_tabular.php

    This is no guarantee what might or might not happen in the next six years. We are volunteer helpers, not clairvoyants! :rotfl:



    Lol yes I realise you're good but not THAT good. Though a bit of clairvoyance would be useful to put my mind at rest.


    But those links.provided tell me lots.

    One says they had either no court cases or less than five.

    The second says they requested info from dvla 437 times and had no claims, default wins or hearings. So if they didn't make a claim last year, the odds of them doing this year so are low although not impossible.

    Whereas if it was a different PPC, like parking eye the odds would be less favourable? Am I interpreting that correctly???
  • Umkomaas
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    Whereas if it was a different PPC, like parking eye the odds would be less favourable? Am I interpreting that correctly???

    Perceptive or what? :rotfl:

    30,000 (yep, thirty thousand) court papers issued in 12 months by PE might suggest that the odds are slightly less favourable.

    But even with those numbers, we estimate that only 1 in 10 gets to the court stage with PE.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
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