A Darn Disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PasturesNew

moanymoany wrote: »

go and look at the 'Live on $12,000 a Year' thread. There are people on there who live on £9 - 12,000 a year.

This has nothing to do with it .... it isn't about money. It's about the fact there are no houses for them to rent.

Not just council houses - also private rents.

The town is small. With only minimum wage/seasonal jobs. Beyond that, there is NOTHING for 15 miles. Then nothing significant for 60 miles. It really is at the !!!! end of nowhere.

The councils are useless. They know there's a problem. They are trying to provide affordable homes, but they are swamped by people from up country turning up and assuming there'd be homes for them. The list is now 20 years long.

I don't know enough about councils to be able to discuss this. I just lived there so know it's not like anywhere else. Rules that apply up country don't work down there or it's not "done like that"

As a holiday resort, "spare" housing is either let out as holiday lets or owned as a 2nd home. Or house of multiple-occupancy. To rent your house out to regular people is the way to make the least cash from it. So it's not done.

I have NO idea where councils get money from to house people, nor how any of it works at all. But I know the council can't just be sitting on their *rses because it takes less effort to do something than to manage the flak you get for doing nothing.

Restormel is the council, but all their housing is with Ocean Housing Association.

Kez100

Incomers are not a problem in my eyes. It's a free country. To some extent BTL aren't either as they at least buy and then rent out property. The problems are second home owners who leave the property empty when locals need somewhere to live. These people want the restaurants and activities to be available on the three weeks a year they come down or the eight weeks they holiday let it - where do they think the workers serving them live?

We are starting to see holiday lets come back on the market. Lets hope it's a good sign. Mind you, prices will have to drop a tad before FTBs can get on the market.

PasturesNew

franklee wrote: »

incomers who are going to make that their permanent home?

I meant holiday home owners, not people who move permanently. This affects those who move permanently too. Imagine if your old mum/dad retired there to a village with a post office, a pub, a garage and a small shop. Now, 5 years later all that's gone and for 6 months of the year they're almost the only people in the village. Trapped because even the bus service stopped as nobody was using it.

Those people who buy a property - then just visit twice a month for a weekend in the summer. Some don't come at all. they are just sitting on the property for it to "make money".

http://rentfreecornwall.blogspot.com

This group of people are taking things into their own hands.

One is a chef. He has a job. He was sleeping rough.
Then he'd go into a loo, clean up a bit then go to work.

Do you want him making your food?

scrimpingbadger

We have a similar situation in East Anglia. Aldeburgh and Southwold are virtually dead in the winter months and the summer months the places are swarming with 2nd homers/holidaymakers. These small towns have designer shops in them!! No tescos for 20 miles though. Locals can't afford the prices - about half million in the high street, more overlooking the sea - and we're only talking about old fishermans cottages here and the locals are moving inland towards Reydon and Leiston. Any local with any brains at all avoids Aldeburgh and Southwold like the plague and such is the social difference between the local towns and the upmarket seaside resorts is so huge they may well be on different planets.

PasturesNew

Just had a quick look, see if I could see a link to the original poster's comment regarding one family's predicament.

I couldn't, but I did find this http://www.newquayvoice.co.uk/nvnews/news/newsItem.php?news_id=2518&offset=2

6.7% of residents in the catchment area are on the housing list.
6,400 people
The area covers Newquay on the north coast and St Austell on the south coast

One of the over-riding factors with Newquay is: there aren't other nearby places for people to look to like there is up country.

Update

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4 August: Thousands homeless while Cornish summer homes sit empty
http://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=147104&d=337&h=24&f=254

5 August:How to profit from pleasure: Now might hardly seem the best time to promote holidaying in Blighty, but prospects are bright for owners of holiday homes
http://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/property/investment/article2185779.ece

Alan_M_2

PasturesNew wrote: »

This has nothing to do with it .... it isn't about money. It's about the fact there are no houses for them to rent.

Not just council houses - also private rents.

The town is small. With only minimum wage/seasonal jobs. Beyond that, there is NOTHING for 15 miles. Then nothing significant for 60 miles. It really is at the !!!! end of nowhere.

The councils are useless. They know there's a problem. They are trying to provide affordable homes, but they are swamped by people from up country turning up and assuming there'd be homes for them. The list is now 20 years long.

I don't know enough about councils to be able to discuss this. I just lived there so know it's not like anywhere else. Rules that apply up country don't work down there or it's not "done like that"

As a holiday resort, "spare" housing is either let out as holiday lets or owned as a 2nd home. Or house of multiple-occupancy. To rent your house out to regular people is the way to make the least cash from it. So it's not done.

I have NO idea where councils get money from to house people, nor how any of it works at all. But I know the council can't just be sitting on their *rses because it takes less effort to do something than to manage the flak you get for doing nothing.

Restormel is the council, but all their housing is with Ocean Housing Association.

What you've unwittingly described here is the system in Russia that keeps tabs on where the general populous is.

See in Russia, you have two passports, an national one and the international one. The national passport gives you residency in a region, if you travel from that region you're required to "register" at the new area where you intend to live - this needs to be done at the local police station and precludes you from taking jobs that locals have, or at least locals have to be seen to have been offered the position.

Of course this is open to abuse, if you have money you just pay the police for the relevant paperwork. And if you have enough money (Abramovich) you buy the entire region, set yourself up as governor, review all the tax laws making it a tax haven, then base all your worldwide companies there and not pay any tax.

Obviously you wouldn't want to live there, it's a toilet. But thats OK as our lovelly Socialist Chancellor Mr Brown made England a tax haven for foreign Oligarchs who earn their money offshore (i.e. they don't pay any tax on their money that earned outside the UK) - Nice. Ever wondered why there are 200,000 resident Russians in London? There you go.

Oh and they don't need a visa here either, well, not in the same way the average person does, you see, you can buy a visa to England if you have enough money (in a round about way). You just need to show you have over £500,000 in liquid assets and it's Здравствуйте г-н России (Hello Mr Russian).

There are bigger problems causing our current economic situation, many through bad government policy, this has a ripple effect.

My ex wife is Russian, I visited Moscow a few times, if you've ever been there, you'll know how lucky we are.

All this bleating about not being able to buy a place as though you have some right to own is starting to get up my nose.

The market is on an economic cycle, right now we're at the top of that cycle, it will change eventually and when it does you can snap up a local property from one of the bankrupt BTL amateur landlords that's lost his shirt.

I bet you won't be moaning then.

Of course the alternative is go and get a better job, get more educated, make an effort, make your own luck etc. You'll get nowhere moaning about it, do something about it.

(This is not aimed at any one individual in particular - just the general bleaters).

franklee

PasturesNew wrote: »

I meant holiday home owners, not people who move permanently. This affects those who move permanently too. Imagine if your old mum/dad retired there to a village with a post office, a pub, a garage and a small shop. Now, 5 years later all that's gone and for 6 months of the year they're almost the only people in the village. Trapped because even the bus service stopped as nobody was using it.

Those people who buy a property - then just visit twice a month for a weekend in the summer. Some don't come at all. they are just sitting on the property for it to "make money".

Ah that's OK then, I agree with you in that case.

But I think it's important to make the distinction clear and that you are OK with those who move permanently or you will lose the sympathy of people like me who would, if they understood what you mean, agree with you.

PasturesNew wrote: »

http://rentfreecornwall.blogspot.com

This group of people are taking things into their own hands.

One is a chef. He has a job. He was sleeping rough. Then he'd go into a loo, clean up a bit then go to work.

Do you want him making your food?

I've read that site before and that's why I would not eat out in Cornwall at all! In fact I would not go on holiday there either even though my Gran's family come from there and I have happy childhood memories of visiting them. But that wouldn't count for anything when ordering food etc which I would not wish to do from people who resent my being there.

PasturesNew

Alan_M wrote: »

Ever wondered why there are 200,000 resident Russians in London?

if you've ever been there, you'll know how lucky we are.

All this bleating about not being able to buy a place as though you have some right to own is starting to get up my nose.

I bet you won't be moaning then.

Of course the alternative is go and get a better job, get more educated, make an effort, make your own luck etc. You'll get nowhere moaning about it, do something about it.

I had no idea there were any russians in London. Never been.
Nope. Never been to Russia. Or anywhere abroad actually.

Nobody was bleating about not being able to buy a place in this thread. It was about the local housing situation in one isolated region.

Getting a better job/getting more educated/making an effort/making your own luck
Many people try this. Trying does not mean success. Not everybody is in a situation to do one/all of these things.

Nobody was bleating, but you managed to whip it all round from a discussion into a bleat.

I don't even live there. I paid to educate myself, I moved away. OK I don't actually have a job yet - and it seems there are no jobs where I've moved to maybe so I will have to move again.

In fact - one of the "problems" people face is: train in what, what better jobs? If many knew these answers they'd stand a better chance at doing one of these.

But ALL of this is miles away from the original point/posting because you wanted to turn it into a "can't buy a house" thread. Which is isn't/wasn't and won't be.



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CheeseOnToast

If you can't afford to live in an area, move to a cheaper area... why do people think they have a right to stay in a particular area, local or not ?

I had to move to a shittier area to afford a house, thats life unfortunately, now I am working my !!!! off to try and move back.. might not make it, but thats life..

Guy_Montag

CheeseOnToast wrote: »

If you can't afford to live in an area, move to a cheaper area... why do people think they have a right to stay in a particular area, local or not ?

I had to move to a shittier area to afford a house, thats life unfortunately, now I am working my !!!! off to try and move back.. might not make it, but thats life..

Do you mean move away to Devon, the whole south-west is the same, or did you have Grimsby in mind, afterall stayinmg near friends & family is over-rated really. Or were you thinking Bulgaria, I mean who needs stay in the country they were brought up if they can't afford it.

I don't think anyone followed my links so here they are:

We've seen rent free cornwall...

Shelter on squatting
&
http://www.squatter.org.uk/
&
http://www.urban75.com/Action/squat.html

That's proper money saving advice :money: