A Darn Disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

red74

Romani_Ite_Domum wrote: »

If just one person posts that it is the locals fault for selling as a second home in the first place, I am going to feed myself to the great white off St Ives or the black panther of Porthleven, .....which ever one I find first that is!quote]

By eck, St Ives and Porthleven, reminds me of my one cornish holiday when I was 9 (back in 1983) and stayed with my uncle's family in Porthleven. Didn't realise it had a panther - I'd have been more careful! It wasn't very touristy back then but my cousin went back last year to visit and said things had changed alot.

Oh and Sennen Cove! Does anyone know Mousehole[!?!] Loved it when I was down there although to be honest I don't remember a great deal except my uncle's cottage which seemed to lead straight onto the beach, loads of shops selling polished shells and people getting swept off the pier at Porthleven.

Curious_Moose

Why should the locals have any more right to live there than some poor sod who was brought up in a crap area and now finds themselves with the means to live in a nice area?

PasturesNew

Curious_Moose wrote: »

Why should the locals have any more right to live there than some poor sod who was brought up in a crap area and now finds themselves with the means to live in a nice area?

Because the locals are ultra-poor and don't have the means to move themselves up country to find work.

Because when incomers move in, they cause local services to close down as they aren't using them.

Because when local services (shop, garage, school) close, this further reduces the jobs available to the locals (even though the jobs were probably minimum wage, they might be the only jobs for 10+ miles).

Because the more wealthier people that come into the area, the most the cost of living goes up as any businesses about try to cater for that market to try to make some sort of a living.

Just because ....

Update: I should point out that the incomers in this means "2nd home owners who hardly ever bother turning up at all, then make out they are doing people a favour just by them being in the area because they made the houses worth so much more"

Guy_Montag

I've said it before

&
I'll say it again:

There are laws in this country that allow you to use shelter if it's available

moanymoany

I would be interested to see exactly what the income and outgoings for this family are before accepting that they cannot afford to rent. Maybe they should look at the living on $12,000 a year thread over where we thriftys live.

I know families who class themselves as poor, who can't afford this and that but who really waste what money they have.

The question of second homes and affordable rented housing is an old one. If someone owns a property why shouldn't they rent it out to get the most they can from it? Many people who have second homes have worked for their cash. The only answer is for local councils or housing authorities to provide small, economical houses for rent.

Not rocket science.

peter999

moanymoany wrote: »

Many people who have second homes have worked for their cash. The only answer is for local councils or housing authorities to provide small, economical houses for rent.

Not rocket science.

There's no problem with 2nd homes if there are enough homes for others.

As I am sure you are aware building housing is expensive, councils don't have the money & consequently have not been building enough new housing.

There's also no problem in bringing in Laws to discourage & restrict 2nd home ownership in areas where there are serious problems.

So your rocket science hypotheseis isn't actually working.

peter999

olly300

moanymoany wrote: »

I would be interested to see exactly what the income and outgoings for this family are before accepting that they cannot afford to rent. Maybe they should look at the living on $12,000 a year thread over where we thriftys live.

I know families who class themselves as poor, who can't afford this and that but who really waste what money they have.

It's really hard for some people who are more fortunate to realise that even if people spend their money wisely they just cannot afford things.

Paying £650 a month rent with full council tax and a large water bill (coastal regions in the UK always have large water bills) when you are earning £12,000 a year and have 2 young children to support is a lot.

Off course they obviously shouldn't have had those children......:rolleyes:

PasturesNew

I would admit that in most cases I'd want to look at people's income/expenditure ... as I know I'd find they were wasting their money.

The issue here isn't about income/expenditure.

Their problem is lack of affordable housing. In fact, there, lack of ANY housing. Many people are living in sheds in that town.

They probably couldn't find anywhere to rent no matter what their income right now. Usually there are only 1-2 flats for rent in a 15 mile radius.

With them money isn't the issue because whether working or not, with top up benefits and 2 kids, working tax credits, child allowance etc they will have enough cash for normal living - but they can't find somewhere to rent that isn't £800/month probably.

And even after the silly season there will still be no room at the inn... and rents a crazy price.

Right now there is only 1 property for rent in Newquay on rightmove
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-16548275.rsp?pa_n=1&tr_t=rent
£795/month - and they'd have to compete with everybody else after it.

It's unfurnished too.

moanymoany

There have been problems with affordable housing for ever. Outsiders moving into village cottages that had previously been lived in by farm labourers, forcing the workers into towns and then commuting back to the country is a problem that was much discussed in the 1960's. Welsh nationalists burned down second homes and tried to force people out of their smallholdings when they had moved to Wales to live the good life - just like the tele series.

It didn't work. The answer is - as I said before - more affordable housing. In 1998 I met someone who was on a planning committee for a rural district. When anyone wanted to build houses, they had to build a percentage of starter homes for shared ownership. OK it's not rental, but it is something.

If there was the will of the general public, the sale of council houses could be stopped. More houses could be built. The great British public voted the Thatcher government in time after time at the same time as they were destroying the public housing stock. I never voted for her and I thought it was a very bad idea.

If you are interested, go and look at the 'Live on $12,000 a Year' thread. There are people on there who live on £9 - 12,000 a year. No-one said it would be easy. Yes, I am fortunate - now! I was not so fortunate as a child when I lived in poverty. It made me decide I wanted a better life and I've worked very hard to get it. Yes, I did wait until I could afford children. Yes I do live very frugally. Apart from the mortgage two of us live on £600 a month, and there is room for more savings.

If the feeling is that this is really unfair, why not do something about it. You have local councils, Members of Parliament and MEP's, start writing, galvanise local people to write. People can change things if they are prepared to get themselves working at it. Trouble is, just like living within your means, it takes effort.

franklee

PasturesNew wrote: »

Because the locals are ultra-poor and don't have the means to move themselves up country to find work.

Because when incomers move in, they cause local services to close down as they aren't using them.

I can understand the case against second homes and I think they should be taxed to hell. But incomers who are going to make that their permanent home? How can that be justified?

If you allow Cornish people to move to London to study or get a job then surely you need to allow movement the other way too? Or is it just those in the South East that should allow people to move in pushing prices up and yet they can't move out

And how do you define an incomer? I've been in this county for 20 years with a two year break, am I now a local or not? I came here as that's where the job was at the time.

Not allowing incomers would only work if it applied to everyone and then the country would grind to an economic halt.

I could not buy in my home town, near London, so I've lost the rights to live anywhere? That's daft.

And what if horror you wished to marry someone who's not Cornish, would they be allowed to move in

If you really want a no incomers policy then all Cornish people should be made to move back to Cornwall to free up houses for those they have displaced first and no more Cornish pople should be allowed to leave.