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Even the Torygraph Likes Immigration
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I didn't read the article super-carefully but couldn't see the author's reasoning behind declaring immigration a "stunning success", other than saying that there's been an awful lot of it & that public disgruntlement has been fairly muted.FACT.0 -
It's an experiment I'd say. There may be a dream end goal they had in mind.
The whole premise of the EU is to bring about stability. Not least due to the events of the impact of WW2 in Europe. Hence why there's totally differing views as to what the EU is about. Post war Germans have a totally different mindset. Many of whom were influenced by the Russian occupation for some decades. Merkel included.0 -
it doesn't seem to be a dream but an actual reality.
What else do you call over 7 million new faces in the UK?
The post war period, though I struggle to see how you can blame that on the EU with it not existing back then.
The rate of population increase in the UK over the last decade is lower than it was at various times in the 20th century. In 2012 the population increased by roughly the same amount as it did each year, on average, between 1901-1911. Except back then the population was about 40% smaller, so population growth relative to population was far higher.Having a signature removed for mentioning the removal of a previous signature. Blackwhite bellyfeel double plus good...0 -
The post war period, though I struggle to see how you can blame that on the EU with it not existing back then.
The rate of population increase in the UK over the last decade is lower than it was at various times in the 20th century. In 2012 the population increased by roughly the same amount as it did each year, on average, between 1901-1911. Except back then the population was about 40% smaller, so population growth relative to population was far higher.
Then again population density was much lower and there wasn't the presumption that no more land should be taken from greenfield to being housing and infrastructure.I think....0 -
The post war period, though I struggle to see how you can blame that on the EU with it not existing back then.
The rate of population increase in the UK over the last decade is lower than it was at various times in the 20th century. In 2012 the population increased by roughly the same amount as it did each year, on average, between 1901-1911. Except back then the population was about 40% smaller, so population growth relative to population was far higher.
It is clearly true that all the immigrants do not come from the EU.
I see no value comparing the period 1901-1911 with the current time.
I wish to see an improvement in the quality of life : I do not see a higher population as offering any such improvements ; neither do I see current London house prices nor the endless supply of cheap labour as being of benefit to the existing population.0 -
I thought this article a bit shoddy in quality. For instance:
"It’s time to stop pretending that the target will ever be hit, and start preparing for the million foreign workers who’ll probably join us over the next five years. "
Really? In five years? When the immigration figures for the current year just hit 674,000, only 100,000 of whom are returning British citizens? I calculate this, even at current levels (and I expect them to rise) to be 2.87 million foreigners moving here in the next 5 years, most of whom will likely be workers.
Greece is back in recession. I've just met a Greek doctor in one of our local hospitals. A sign of things to come? Italy's economy has been contracting for three years. Maybe we'll start to see better and cheaper coffee on the High Street...0 -
I have no problem with immigration per-se, the problem is massive levels of immigration over a short period without the infrastructure to support it. Everybody, immigrant or otherwise, needs access to healthcare, housing as well potentially to education for their children. None of these can be magicked up at a minutes notice.
I do believe that we should have a system based on national need and skills points such as that used in Australia. Immigrants, other than refugees, should also be required to show that they have the financial resources to support themselves for a period if their employment ends.0 -
I have no problem with immigration per-se, the problem is massive levels of immigration over a short period without the infrastructure to support it. Everybody, immigrant or otherwise, needs access to healthcare, housing as well potentially to education for their children. None of these can be magicked up at a minutes notice.
I do believe that we should have a system based on national need and skills points such as that used in Australia. Immigrants, other than refugees, should also be required to show that they have the financial resources to support themselves for a period if their employment ends.
what national needs are those?0 -
Get a grip everyone, immigration is what is paying to have any decent services in the first places. A large working population paying more tax than a small working population combined with new working adults of which we didn't have to pay to bring up and educate and train in the first place has given us just enough wind in our sails to pull away from an economic !!!!!! storm in the nick of time.
Celebrate our attractive cultural allure, it's a gift.Proudly voted remain. A global union of countries is the only way to commit global capital to the rule of law.0 -
Get a grip everyone, immigration is what is paying to have any decent services in the first places. A large working population paying more tax than a small working population combined with new working adults of which we didn't have to pay to bring up and educate and train in the first place has given us just enough wind in our sails to pull away from an economic !!!!!! storm in the nick of time.
Celebrate our attractive cultural allure, it's a gift.
There is no evidence that immigration is paying for anything extra that we would have already even in simple money terms.
In terms of the quality of our life (boring things like access to NHS, schools, roads, trains, houses etc) higher population numbers are doing great harm.
The price of houses in London and the SE is largely determined by the increase in population in thoses areas.
Maybe you personally benefit but it is ridiculous to suggest this is an benefit to the exisiting people of the UK.
As Carney has observed, the endless supply of cheap labour reduces the incentives for improving productivity which would be to our long term benefit.0
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