Motability Delivery date

billywilly

Parva wrote: »

Ah, Andy and his grim-reaper forecasts return. Hey, don't bother getting a Motability car because the big bad government are going to fail your assessment anyway. Let's not just try and get a car and have a little freedom for a while, even *IF* it is short-lived (if Andy is to be believed).

I take each day and each challenge as it comes and I don't listen to f**kwits who may have had a bad experience and choose to spread their bad experience on as many people as possible.

For a start why are you referring to me as 'Andy'?
Grim Reaper?? Not at all, it is a fact. PIP is nothing like DLA.
Most people on a DLA indefinite award are very rarely looked at again. On PIP you WILL be reviewed more regularly fact!.
The government has set a target of reducing the level of DLA awards by 20% - that was one of the prime reasons for bringing out PIP - fact!
Consequently no PIP award can ever be as safe as a DLA one - fact!.
People stand more chance of the Motability car being snatched back under PIP than they did under DLA - fact!
I already made a PIP application - it was turned down completely despite having had HRM & MRC for 19 years - fact!

Of course if you don't worry about the guarantee of having a car when you need one, then get a Motability one based on your PIP award.

m4rc

colin13 wrote: »

i thought u werent able to order a car mor than 3 months in advance,,but im in the system,,never enquired about getting it on a certain date

You can't, not allowed to order more than 3 calendar months before the changeover date.

billywilly

m4rc wrote: »

If you have a genuine need, you meet the criteria in the decision makers guide and he definitions apply and levels of need are met and you fill in the forms accurately and provide evidence you should get the financial help.
The sad and worrying part is most people will fill in the forms themselves, and many will struggle, they will miss out crucial information, they won't give all the detail, and they will be declined. Sadly so many of those people should qualify but they won't because they will struggle to communicate their needs. If you have your PIP / DLA taken away and feel you shouldn't have you can ask for a reconsideration and you can take it through to tribunal.
If you need the support it is there,

I agree that If you have a genuine need, you meet the criteria in the decision makers guide and the definitions apply and levels of need are met and you fill in the forms accurately and provide evidence you should get the financial help. All of that is a big IF. Very few ordinary people actually understand any or all of that. As for evidence, apart from maybe a prescription list and letters from the hospital advising of an appointment, ordinary people wont have much else. Looking for additional evidence comes with a cost, and depending on the doctor/consultant will depend whether you actually get anything worthwhile.
The government and DWP actually state that you should NOT pay or look for evidence that you don't already have.
I like many 1000's fill in the form ourselves. Your final statement may well be true in some parts of the country, but not everyone can get help and it is wrong to say that the support is there if you need it.
I tried my best to fill in the PIP form, sent what evidence I had to hand and could find no organisation that could offer me the time to help with the application.
Obviously with that half hearted claim form I really didn't stand a chance. On top of that I was told to drive 70 miles to the assessing centre on my own (no one to go with me). Then this 'nice' assessor wanted me to be her friend! I was knackered, tired and fed up.before we started. I didn't want to get into a long debate with her, preferring to simply say yes or no or maybe. 2 hours later, blood sugars going through the roof, morphine wearing off, no medication with me and feeling quite stressed with the thought of another 70 miles to get home I told her that enough was enough.

It came as no surprise that I wasn't eventually awarded 1 point!
The thought of going through all of that again with a written submission, the stress with waiting for an answer, then the eventual Tribunal hearing trying to defend myself was just too much. I gave up in the knowledge that I didn't have it in me to fight the DWP on my own.

So to me your post is a little condescending when I did my best, knowing that I couldn't do any more and that there are organisations that do help and get 100% results, but I didn't have that luxury.

cbrown372

So nothing to do with the fact that you didn't actually try...

Because I didn't put much effort into claiming it and no effort into appealing the decision. The financial loss in the grand scheme of things didn't really affect us. The loss of the DLA award and ESA was more than compensated by the starting of State Pensions. Financially we are quite happy.
As an aside, it has been suggested that we could claim Attendance Allowance, but considering that we don't need the extra money we haven't bothered. One less hassle where the DWP are involved.

and

Quite a few I would think.
Being on GPC and having an AIP there is nothing stopping them holding millions AND still get their full GPC payments.

We receive GPC and have approx £12k in the current account/savings account, £10K in a 4 year 65+ bond as well as gifting another £85k into a trust for the children.

By the time the AIP is reviewed the £12k will have been spent on updating our home, leaving just the £10k which is the limit. The trust has nothing to do with us as we cannot access any of the capital or income.

You receive GPC but people shouldn't claim PC?

Bitterness?? Not at all. Working people will have to fund for their own retirement as is what is happening right now.
I did. I have two work based pensions and four private pensions that are all in payment. On top of that I receive the state pension of just under £200 a week and my wife gets nearly £70 a week and has never worked!
Do I really need the SRP? No, but like everyone else I am entitled to it!

For those who haven't worked will get the bare minimum to live on and those that have worked and paid NIC for at least 35 years will get the flat rate of pension.

I think it is disgusting that someone who may well have never worked but claimed benefits all of their life is still entiltled to £151.20 a week. Pension Credit should be abolished. If you don't pay in then don't expect very much in return when you retire.

Just three of your posts that contradict each other, make up your mind Andy.

billywilly

cbrown372 wrote: »

So nothing to do with the fact that you didn't actually try...

Because I didn't put much effort into claiming it and no effort into appealing the decision. The financial loss in the grand scheme of things didn't really affect us. The loss of the DLA award and ESA was more than compensated by the starting of State Pensions. Financially we are quite happy.
As an aside, it has been suggested that we could claim Attendance Allowance, but considering that we don't need the extra money we haven't bothered. One less hassle where the DWP are involved.

and

Quite a few I would think.
Being on GPC and having an AIP there is nothing stopping them holding millions AND still get their full GPC payments.

We receive GPC and have approx £12k in the current account/savings account, £10K in a 4 year 65+ bond as well as gifting another £85k into a trust for the children.

By the time the AIP is reviewed the £12k will have been spent on updating our home, leaving just the £10k which is the limit. The trust has nothing to do with us as we cannot access any of the capital or income.

You receive GPC but people shouldn't claim PC?

Bitterness?? Not at all. Working people will have to fund for their own retirement as is what is happening right now.
I did. I have two work based pensions and four private pensions that are all in payment. On top of that I receive the state pension of just under £200 a week and my wife gets nearly £70 a week and has never worked!
Do I really need the SRP? No, but like everyone else I am entitled to it!

For those who haven't worked will get the bare minimum to live on and those that have worked and paid NIC for at least 35 years will get the flat rate of pension.

I think it is disgusting that someone who may well have never worked but claimed benefits all of their life is still entiltled to £151.20 a week. Pension Credit should be abolished. If you don't pay in then don't expect very much in return when you retire.

Just three of your posts that contradict each other, make up your mind Andy.

Pick and chose what you like, anybody can make anything out of snippets of a post.
I gave full details in another post this evening - strange that you chose not to include that one?

You have been rumbled by another poster on here that has pm'd me. They too have had to put up with your ridiculous postings.
I've had a look at your posting history and surprise surprise just what I thought. You haven't offered any advice that was worth reading on here. Bitter maybe? It appears so.
If you can't contribute why on earth are you on here?
By the way I have counted 4 posters that you have insinuated that are this mythical Andy - why?
I'm not having a go at you, just concerned for your well being.

Now that you have succeeded in de-railing another thread why don't you go play with your marbles or something.

CTcelt1988

billywilly wrote: »

Pick and chose what you like, anybody can make anything out of snippets of a post.
I gave full details in another post this evening - strange that you chose not to include that one?

You have been rumbled by another poster on here that has pm'd me. They too have had to put up with your ridiculous postings.
I've had a look at your posting history and surprise surprise just what I thought. You haven't offered any advice that was worth reading on here. Bitter maybe? It appears so.
If you can't contribute why on earth are you on here?
By the way I have counted 4 posters that you have insinuated that are this mythical Andy - why?
I'm not having a go at you, just concerned for your well being.

Now that you have succeeded in de-railing another thread why don't you go play with your marbles or something.

You've been bitter about PIP every time you go on here, your constant gloating about people not going to get PiP shows how similar you are to another poster who did the same. You can't blame people thinking you are 'Andy'.

billywilly

CTcelt1988 wrote: »

You've been bitter about PIP every time you go on here, your constant gloating about people not going to get PiP shows how similar you are to another poster who did the same. You can't blame people thinking you are 'Andy'.

I.m not bitter about my failure to get a PIP award. Far from it, I don't honestly care anymore.
What annoys me is the fact that despite what the rules, regulations, notes to the application form and the independent review say, the DWP and their assessing agent failed to request any evidence from anybody in support of my claim.
If that had been carried out in the way it should have been done, then I believe that I would have been given an award.
But, to get the DWP to accept this argument I would have had apply for a MR and all of the work that that entails.
Obviously as that is in effect an appeal, it is for the appellant (me) to prove that the DWP were wrong with supporting evidence. That I would find far to difficult to contemplate.

The whole structure of this is that the onus in the first place is on the DWP to 'deny or accept' a claim, it's not for the applicant to prove entitlement. The DWP are duty bound to seek all available evidence to come to that decision. Just using their own report should not be the be all and end all. They have a duty to seek any other evidence that can be used.

So yes I was annoyed, certainly not bitter. The DWP failed to look at all of the evidence that they had and evidence that they could have obtained.

If on the other hand it is accepted that the claimant has to provide the evidence to support a claim, then will someone please tell me why do they want to know who can be contacted to supply that evidence as detailed on the application form? It t is a complete waste of the applicants time filling in that information if it isn't needed or required.

pstuart

So about these Motability dates then.

m4rc

billywilly wrote: »

I.m not bitter about my failure to get a PIP award. Far from it, I don't honestly care anymore.
What annoys me is the fact that despite what the rules, regulations, notes to the application form and the independent review say, the DWP and their assessing agent failed to request any evidence from anybody in support of my claim.....

...The whole structure of this is that the onus in the first place is on the DWP to 'deny or accept' a claim, it's not for the applicant to prove entitlement. The DWP are duty bound to seek all available evidence to come to that decision.....

...If on the other hand it is accepted that the claimant has to provide the evidence to support a claim, then will someone please tell me why do they want to know who can be contacted to supply that evidence as detailed on the application form? It t is a complete waste of the applicants time filling in that information if it isn't needed or required.

This is not correct. They ask for the information so they can check if they want and need to prove you have mislead them. If you don't provide enough evidence then you won't get the outcome you want, they don't want to go out of wor way to prove people are eligible, you yourself keep saying they don't want people to get the benefit, so why would they make effort to prove your case for you?

You need to prove your case, they will try to find holes in it, if you meet the requirements you get the benefits. If they have questions with any part of your application they will contact the professionals, not to help you I'm sure, if you have failed to prove already they won't be seeking clarification to support you, more that they can use this evidence to deny your claim.

The reason most applications from people who should be eligible fail is simply poorly completed forms and lack of evidence. No hidden agendas, as you say they government have made it very clear they want to reduce the number of people receiving disability benefits.

If you have a genuine need you absolutely should go through the process again and appeal if you get rejected. If you can't be bothered then I question your need - medically, physically and financially. People we help to get disability benefits could not be able to cope without it and simply say they won't bother applying. Just because you didn't get it right it doesn't mean others shouldn't apply, if they are entitled to it and complete their application appropriately they will get what they deserve.

m4rc

pstuart wrote: »

So about these Motability dates then.

Already answered a few times - you can't order a car more than 3 months before your changeover date. Sometimes an order will take longer to be delivered, a garage may be willing to hold a car but no guarantee.