Brexit

antrobus

Bluebirdman_of_Alcathays wrote: »

:rotfl: Are you thick? Why is there a choice of Norwegian, Swiss or Turkish models?! Do you not think a country of our achievements can achieve a British Model?!

So what exactly is this "British Model" that you are advocating?

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

Part of the problem of 'justifying' the EU is the intangible gains from free trade.

These are, I strongly suspect, absolutely huge. I have absolutely no way to prove that though.

Isn't it much easier to trade everywhere nowadays though?

Going back a few decades if I wanted a specialist chip design I would have pretty much had to take on someone here in UK.

Now, I can get custom chip programming from the new BRIC economies. I don't even have to meet the suppliers.

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

Isn't it much easier to trade everywhere nowadays though?

Going back a few decades if I wanted a specialist chip design I would have pretty much had to take on someone here in UK.

Now, I can get custom chip programming from the new BRIC economies. I don't even have to meet the suppliers.

To clarify I mean free trade.

For example, I can't import a car from Europe without making substantial changes to it. For example my parcel shelf requires a small hook in it to hook a kid's car seat to. This means car companies can and must charge me a lot more than for a car made for a market of hundreds of millions.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

To clarify I mean free trade.

For example, I can't import a car from Europe without making substantial changes to it. For example my parcel shelf requires a small hook in it to hook a kid's car seat to. This means car companies can and must charge me a lot more than for a car made for a market of hundreds of millions.

equally, your government can easily change their requirements to allow the foreign made car child seat specifications.
within the EU a simple change to the spec would require 5 or 10 years of committees etc.

pertgave

purch wrote: »

The biggest surprise here is that Deutsche Bank actually employs over 9,000 people in the U.K.

German companies employ over 400,000 people in the UK. The jobs linked to industrial supply chains will drop in case barriers to the flow of goods and labour are increased again.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

To clarify I mean free trade.

For example, I can't import a car from Europe without making substantial changes to it. For example my parcel shelf requires a small hook in it to hook a kid's car seat to. This means car companies can and must charge me a lot more than for a car made for a market of hundreds of millions.

Arguably, one of the biggest contributors to increased trade has been the standardisation of the container in shipping.

Shipping has never been as cheap in real terms.

I don't think the membership of the EU would prevent these sort of standardisations happening.

This is just my view of course. I guess what is key to me is that if we choose to remain in the EU then precisely what sort of benefits are we looking to gain as part of a larger trading block. This sort of thing has to be measured over the mid and long term.

I suspect the debate will be centred around the impact on jobs and business in the short term though.

Bluebirdman_of_Alcathays

antrobus wrote: »

So what exactly is this "British Model" that you are advocating?

??? I haven't advocated anything. I'm perfectly happy with the status quo. I merely thought it was ludicrous to suggest our only options are those drawn up by three frankly inferior countries.

Bankrupt Greece is managing to stick 2 fingers up to the EU. You can be absolutely sure that if we needed to come up with a British solution, that we have the bargaining power and the acumen to come up with a solution that's on our terms.

ruggedtoast

The arguments presented by the splitters are exactly the same as those used by the Scot Nats before the referendum.

According to these people we can vote ourselves out and still have:

Complete freedom of movement with no restrictions
Full enjoyment of all trade treaties when they suit us
Cherry pick non EU trade partners when they don't
Continue working within joint frameworks like the Erasmus fund for Higher Education, when it suits us
Take all the things we like from EU security and stability and nothing that we dont like
"Import" EU workers when it suits us
Decide on the day whether we would like to commit to EU projects
Have access to all the education and capacity building projects in the EU, when it suits us
Rely on them not to get in the way of our energy security
Keep stuffing our supermarkets with all the things we couldnt get 20 years ago, every day
Not kick out all our ex pats.

In other words, we can vote ourselves out, throw them into turmoil, and generally just really antagonise them, but they'll carry on giving us "super best friend" status forever.

It's complete fantasy, and to be frank, a bit dim.

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

equally, your government can easily change their requirements to allow the foreign made car child seat specifications.
within the EU a simple change to the spec would require 5 or 10 years of committees etc.

Well they've been discussing the ISO xxxx kiddie child seats over here since I arrived in 2008 and seem nowhere closer to concluding whether they should be legal or not.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The arguments presented by the splitters are exactly the same as those used by the Scot Nats before the referendum.

According to these people we can vote ourselves out and still have:

Complete freedom of movement with no restrictions
Full enjoyment of all trade treaties when they suit us
Cherry pick non EU trade partners when they don't
Continue working within joint frameworks like the Erasmus fund for Higher Education, when it suits us
Take all the things we like from EU security and stability and nothing that we dont like
"Import" EU workers when it suits us
Decide on the day whether we would like to commit to EU projects
Have access to all the education and capacity building projects in the EU, when it suits us
Rely on them not to get in the way of our energy security
Keep stuffing our supermarkets with all the things we couldnt get 20 years ago, every day
Not kick out all our ex pats.

In other words, we can vote ourselves out, throw them into turmoil, and generally just really antagonise them, but they'll carry on giving us "super best friend" status forever.

It's complete fantasy, and to be frank, a bit dim.

indeed your post is a complete fantasy and to be frank, a bit dim