Effects of the European Referendum & (yet another) Scot Exit on the UK Economy

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

so the SNP have clearly said there will be (undefined) circumstances when they will demand a referendum.

so not old ground atall.

We know you are the parrot of the forum and like to keep repeating the same mantra again and again and again and again.

Time to bring some new topics to this discussion board

IveSeenTheLight

Hedgehog99 wrote: »

The age of compulsory education has gone up to 18, so they cannot be working (unless p/t as apprentices) and won't be paying tax. They can join the forces, but cannot be sent to fight. I believe the age of majority should remain 18. Do you really want 16-y-o's sitting on juries? Extending the vote to under 18's is a gimmick to increase turnout instead of dealing with the real reason for low turnouts - the electorate's apathy and loss of faith in politicians. Why such a rush to grow up? I enjoyed turning 18 and the new responsibilities it brought. Now they've all seen it done it got the T-shirt & it's old hat.

Quite simply, if you old enough to pay taxes, you should be old enough to vote for the party of choice.

You maybe didn;t catch the debate during the referendum, but quite a number of 16 and 17 years olds were able to debate very effectively.

P.S. Compulsary education until 18 is not throughout the UK, only in England

wotsthat

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I was going to vote to stay in the EU but now I am reconsidering. It's so difficult though as I want Graham to get all outraged as well. Decisions, decisions.

I always ask the question 'what would Graham do?' and then do the opposite. It's worked out really well over the last few years.

I wouldn't make a decision based on whether Graham was outraged or not - that's just a nice bonus.

Conrad

Vote out. Vote to be open to the entire world, not cowering about change like a little Englander.


Lets embrace our autonomy, not be terrified of it.

BobQ

setmefree2 wrote: »

Regardless of whether you are going to vote yes or no - what do you think will happen to the UK economy in the lead up to the referendum?

Any thoughts on another Scottish referendum vote?

It would be great if you could link to any good articles you come across.

I think the answer is nobody knows. The whole policy of a referendum was conceived to appease the Tory right and UKIP supporters. I do not believe that he wants to preside over us leaving the EU anymore than he wanted to be the PM who lost the Union.

If Cameron's approach yields real concessions he will confidently lead the "IN" campaign and muster a significant PR machine to victory. If his approach alienates other Europeans and they refuse to make concessions, whatever he does in the referendum, the "OUT" campaign will promote a deeply divisive campaign which they could win.

In the meantime the uncertainty will mean a lot of investment decisions will be delayed and could be damaging to employment. The electorate has rolled the dice and now it must see how they land.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

I think the answer is nobody knows. The whole policy of a referendum was conceived to appease the Tory right and UKIP supporters. I do not believe that he wants to preside over us leaving the EU anymore than he wanted to be the PM who lost the Union.

If Cameron's approach yields real concessions he will confidently lead the "IN" campaign and muster a significant PR machine to victory. If his approach alienates other Europeans and they refuse to make concessions, whatever he does in the referendum, the "OUT" campaign will promote a deeply divisive campaign which they could win.

In the meantime the uncertainty will mean a lot of investment decisions will be delayed and could be damaging to employment. The electorate has rolled the dice and now it must see how they land.

how much damage,do you think, was actually done to the Scottish economy but the referendum?

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

If Cameron's approach yields real concessions he will confidently lead the "IN" campaign and muster a significant PR machine to victory. If his approach alienates other Europeans and they refuse to make concessions, whatever he does in the referendum, the "OUT" campaign will promote a deeply divisive campaign which they could win.

These other Europeans all carry a multitude of views. Unemployment in Brussels currently stands at 20% for example. The EU is not working for everyone.

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

I am indeed baffled by what you call a 'country' and how that is defined and how it makes the people of theses countries different from each other.

A country is a sovereign body: The UK, France, Germany, Australia.

A nation is a group of people with something in common: Scotland, England, Gay Nation, Zulu Nation, Assyrian Nation.

mayonnaise

BobQ wrote: »

If Cameron's approach yields real concessions he will confidently lead the "IN" campaign and muster a significant PR machine to victory. If his approach alienates other Europeans and they refuse to make concessions, whatever he does in the referendum, the "OUT" campaign will promote a deeply divisive campaign which they could win.

In my opinion....it doesn't make a jot of difference what concessions Cameron may or may not win, the largely anti-EU media will promote a deeply divisive campaign anyway.
We will hear ad infinitum about EU gravy trains, bendy bananas and powerful hoovers, and the plebs will lap it up.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

In my opinion....it doesn't make a jot of difference what concessions Cameron may or may not win, the largely anti-EU media will promote a deeply divisive campaign anyway.
We will hear ad infinitum about EU gravy trains, bendy bananas and powerful hoovers, and the plebs will lap it up.

it would seem to many that the majority of the newspapers are strongly in favour of staying in the EU

corruption, bendy bananas, diesel pollution, biofuels, free movement of peoples are real issues