Effects of the European Referendum & (yet another) Scot Exit on the UK Economy

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

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That said, the SNP also said as an example,, if the Euro referendum returned a vote to leave from the UK, but Scotland portion voted to stay, it would need to be considered.
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Considered how?

The offer for a referendum on Europe from the Conservatives in the manifesto did not carry a right of veto from any subset of the UK did it? Not from a region; not from a particular party; not from a business group even.

By the same token, Aberdeenshire would have had to abide by a Yes decision on Scottish independence even if there wasn't a majority in that area.

Isn't a referendum a simple democratic vote?

zagubov

kabayiri wrote: »

Considered how?

The offer for a referendum on Europe from the Conservatives in the manifesto did not carry a right of veto from any subset of the UK did it? Not from a region; not from a particular party; not from a business group even.

Not even necessary then. Part of a country can negotiate an exit from the EU while another part stays in. Happened in Greenland, part of the Kingdom of Denmark.

kabayiri

zagubov wrote: »

Not even necessary then. Part of a country can negotiate an exit from the EU while another part stays in. Happened in Greenland, part of the Kingdom of Denmark.

Hopefully one of the lessons we can learn from the Scottish referendum is to have answers to the thorny questions up front.

I don't think vagueness over which currency or acceptance into the EU helped the independence cause.

The EU referendum could be a minefield full of unresolveds.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

Not even necessary then. Part of a country can negotiate an exit from the EU while another part stays in. Happened in Greenland, part of the Kingdom of Denmark.

does that mean that when Scotland has another referendum on independence, you think each region of Scotland should vote separately to determine whether they to stay or go?

antrobus

kabayiri wrote: »

Considered how?

The offer for a referendum on Europe from the Conservatives in the manifesto did not carry a right of veto from any subset of the UK did it? Not from a region; not from a particular party; not from a business group even.

By the same token, Aberdeenshire would have had to abide by a Yes decision on Scottish independence even if there wasn't a majority in that area.

Isn't a referendum a simple democratic vote?

Basically, yes.

But obviously, if an EU referendum produced a result where the UK overall said 'Go', but Scotland said 'Stay', it might lead to a situation where Scottish public opinion supported independence as a means of preserving EU membership.

zagubov wrote: »

Not even necessary then. Part of a country can negotiate an exit from the EU while another part stays in. Happened in Greenland, part of the Kingdom of Denmark.

Not really applicable. The UK is not 'part of a country', it is the whole of a country.

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

does that mean that when Scotland has another referendum on independence, you think each region of Scotland should vote separately to determine whether they to stay or go?

No, that's your particular obsession.

The example I specifically quoted was a country composed of constituent countries, of which the UK is one of three northern European examples.

Again, you're baffled by the concept of countries, and I don't think anybody here can help you overcome this shortcoming.

kabayiri

antrobus wrote: »

Basically, yes.

But obviously, if an EU referendum produced a result where the UK overall said 'Go', but Scotland said 'Stay', it might lead to a situation where Scottish public opinion supported independence as a means of preserving EU membership.

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Ahh, well, yes. This scenario carries weight.

I propose a two-question referendum then, to save on referendum admin.

a) Do you support the UK leaving the EU?

b) if Scotland votes overwhelmingly to remain and rUK does not; do you support Scotland becoming independent from the UK?

Sorted

or is it?

zagubov

kabayiri wrote: »

Ahh, well, yes. This scenario carries weight.

I propose a two-question referendum then, to save on referendum admin.

a) Do you support the UK leaving the EU?

b) if Scotland votes overwhelmingly to remain and rUK does not; do you support Scotland becoming independent from the UK?

Sorted

or is it?

I think we're on a roll here; could you stick in a question about Trident too?

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

No, that's your particular obsession.

The example I specifically quoted was a country composed of constituent countries, of which the UK is one of three northern European examples.

Again, you're baffled by the concept of countries, and I don't think anybody here can help you overcome this shortcoming.

I am indeed baffled by what you call a 'country' and how that is defined and how it makes the people of theses countries different from each other.

chewmylegoff

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Didn't the Scots get it ripped out of them when they introduced 16/17 year old voting to "get the answer they wanted"?

Amusing that the same tactics are now be used to water down the older vote on the EU.

It will all start to unravel now. I see they are even bringing in the votes from those residing outside of the UK to ensure more "stay" votes.

The desperation will be endless and almost witty. The lengths they are going to go to to ensure as many people are captured to enginner a "no" will surprise us all.

Wow, already setting yourself up to reject any democratic outcome that you don't agree with as illegitimate. Even the worst of the Cybernats would be impressed with such early commitment. Perhaps stick in some baseless rhetoric about the europhillic press and some scaremongering.