Effects of the European Referendum & (yet another) Scot Exit on the UK Economy

ruggedtoast

14 million Tories and 3 million UKIPs. That's a potential 17 million narrow minded backwards looking Yes voting Jingoists right there.

Thankfully the referendum won't be fptp so we should make a No, but only if people who care about the UK not being some fiefdom of David Cameron's toffs turn out and vote.

I am worried quite frankly. 5 long Tory years is bad enough. A split from the EU followed by Scottish secession and an eternity of isolated Tory rule and I won't want to live here any more.

chewmylegoff

ruggedtoast wrote: »

...and I won't want to live here any more.

I was going to vote to stay in the EU but now I am reconsidering. It's so difficult though as I want Graham to get all outraged as well. Decisions, decisions.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

14 million Tories and 3 million UKIPs. That's a potential 17 million narrow minded backwards looking Yes voting Jingoists right there.

Thankfully the referendum won't be fptp so we should make a No, but only if people who care about the UK not being some fiefdom of David Cameron's toffs turn out and vote.

I am worried quite frankly. 5 long Tory years is bad enough. A split from the EU followed by Scottish secession and an eternity of isolated Tory rule and I won't want to live here any more.

please please move to Scotland asap.

Of course, you will never be fully accepted there because they are from a different 'nation' but your anti enterprise, anti democratic and pro benefits credentials will make you an honourary SNP member in no time.

Hedgehog99

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I agree.
If you can work, pay taxes, join the armed forces etc, then you should be able to vote on who governs the country

The age of compulsory education has gone up to 18, so they cannot be working (unless p/t as apprentices) and won't be paying tax. They can join the forces, but cannot be sent to fight. I believe the age of majority should remain 18. Do you really want 16-y-o's sitting on juries? Extending the vote to under 18's is a gimmick to increase turnout instead of dealing with the real reason for low turnouts - the electorate's apathy and loss of faith in politicians. Why such a rush to grow up? I enjoyed turning 18 and the new responsibilities it brought. Now they've all seen it done it got the T-shirt & it's old hat.

Loughton_Monkey

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

There is no mandate for another Scottish referendum. I wish people would accept that and stop going over old ground.

The SNP have clearly said so.

That said, the SNP also said as an example,, if the Euro referendum returned a vote to leave from the UK, but Scotland portion voted to stay, it would need to be considered.

If the UK vote the same as the Scots, again there is no mandate for change.

A valid analysis and opinion, except for your second paragraph. What any politician says is not worth the paper it's not printed on. Even more so when it comes from that odious, diminutive, creepy, machine-gun voiced, ex Kranky woman who makes Ed Miliband look like Margaret Thatcher. [You'll gather that I can't stand her].

Anyway. I'm old enough to have voted to join the Common Market as it sounded a good idea. It still is. But now it's actually 'World War 3 in slow motion' inasmuch as the EU is a vehicle to achieve the same end as Adolf. A German Europe.

It is imperative that Cameron sets down as absolute law that any treaty change should be subject to a referendum. That way, if the re-negotiation is enough to gain a 'stay in' vote, it will at least protect us. What I fear the most is Merkel giving us enough "sweeties" in this renegotiation, but backed up by irreversible small print in the Treaties that prevent us from further referenda. We would then end up virtually forced to be ruled so heavily from Brussels that UK will have no more powers that Basildon Council has now!

Anyway, later this week I am off to "investigate" several European countries of the warmer clime, for 2 months of rest and relaxation. Do you happen to know that price of gin in Croatia?

Thrugelmir

setmefree2 wrote: »

Regardless of whether you are going to vote yes or no - what do you think will happen to the UK economy in the lead up to the referendum?

Any thoughts on another Scottish referendum vote?

It would be great if you could link to any good articles you come across.

The UK economy is more likely to be impacted by external events over which it has no control, i.e. global energy and commodity prices than UK Government policy.

Oil prices are unlikely to return at previous levels for some years. Leaves the SNP with an even bigger hole to fill if independence is going to self financing. Already some North Sea fields are being lined up to be decommissioned. As at current price levels no longer economic to maintain.

Before the EU referendum going to be plenty of news from Europe. Europe other than Germany is hardly in good shape.

N1AK

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It will all start to unravel now. I see they are even bringing in the votes from those residing outside of the UK to ensure more "stay" votes.

The desperation will be endless and almost witty. The lengths they are going to go to to ensure as many people are captured to enginner a "no" will surprise us all.

I wonder which way you lean :rotfl: we let ex-pats vote on who governs a country they don't live in for the next 5 years, but suddenly it's some pro-EU conspiracy to let them vote in a referendum.

I'd have more, and by more I mean some, respect for the anti-EU brigade if they could at least be honest, and stop being hypocrites. The only reason they don't want foreign nationals, teenagers & ex-pats voting is because they don't think they'll do what they want them to do.

You want to see desperate ends (though not witty) look at chief hypocrite Farage and his Putin-esque charade to stay as glorious leader of the rose tinted goggles brigade.

N1AK

Hedgehog99 wrote: »

Extending the vote to under 18's is a gimmick to increase turnout instead of dealing with the real reason for low turnouts - the electorate's apathy and loss of faith in politicians. Why such a rush to grow up?

We're a democracy and we currently disenfranchise around 2 million 16-18 year olds. You don't need a reason to 'give' them a vote, you need a bloody good reason to deny them one; and they might not do what you want them to doesn't cut it.

Perhaps we should take the vote away from over 75s? By your logic the vast majority aren't working and perhaps they'd enjoy not having the hassle of feeling obliged to vote.

N1AK

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I am worried quite frankly. 5 long Tory years is bad enough. A split from the EU followed by Scottish secession and an eternity of isolated Tory rule and I won't want to live here any more.

There's no need to be worried. There are plenty of lovely countries that'll still be in the EU. I've already negotiated terms with the better half: I'm staying in the EU, if the majority of the UK decide they don't want to then I will wish them the best from the continent :beer:

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I am worried quite frankly. 5 long Tory years is bad enough. A split from the EU followed by Scottish secession and an eternity of isolated Tory rule and I won't want to live here any more.

I'd be surprised if you'd be happy with isolated rule from Brussels.