Why Do Recruitment Companies...

dranzer01

lufcgirl wrote: »

A CV just lists your skills, not you as a person! If I judged everyone on their CV I'd have stacks of people to put forward. To be fair if you can't be bothered to put in the effort to meet a recruiter for half an hour to discuss things in more detail it's really indicative of if you're worth putting forward for the job. If someone said that to me, it'd make me ask myself if they can't be bothered to show up to this, would they even show up to interview?

No sorry i disagree one is for a job, the other is just so the recruiter can have a 'tea break for 30mins' extra. Its not rocket science for someone to ascertain the difference. Ive been wasted in the past with my time. Ive seen recruiters for 1 hour, ive seen recruiters for 10 minutes... and in the end i come to the same conclusion... well this was a waste of time. Did I get the interviews they promised me? Nope

So I have no trust or faith when they say 'come in and meet me'

It seems the recruiters who say ill ping your cv across to them are the ones who ACTUALLY get me the interviews... funny isnt it??

dranzer01

makeyourdaddyproud wrote: »

Lol. You probably came over as being sarcastic and patronising. That's good, because they deserve it. I would do exactly the same if asked to come in, except I ask them the name of the company I make my travel expenses invoice to.

The line goes very quiet. White noise never sounded so good!

Thats a good one; never thought of that.

lufcgirl

You read it right, every single person I put forward I meet! I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend. Companies don't pay me £4k a time to find a CV and then speak for ten minutes and send it, I think they want a better service than that!

They trust my judgement and I have to make sure that person is perfect for the job. Just because I take care with who I put forward doesn't make me a bad consultant. It's not a sales exercise or anything, it is a professional service to companies we offer

dranzer01

lufcgirl wrote: »

You read it right, every single person I put forward I meet! I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend. Companies don't pay me £4k a time to find a CV and then speak for ten minutes and send it, I think they want a better service than that!

They trust my judgement and I have to make sure that person is perfect for the job. Just because I take care with who I put forward doesn't make me a bad consultant. It's not a sales exercise or anything, it is a professional service to companies we offer

nope youre one of the good guys

makeyourdaddyproud

lufcgirl wrote: »

You read it right, every single person I put forward I meet! I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend. Companies don't pay me £4k a time to find a CV and then speak for ten minutes and send it, I think they want a better service than that!

They trust my judgement and I have to make sure that person is perfect for the job. Just because I take care with who I put forward doesn't make me a bad consultant. It's not a sales exercise or anything, it is a professional service to companies we offer

In any case, so long as there's agencies that don't add this extra step, I will be fine. I cannot be ar$$ed with piddling about for your own benefit as I don't get any of that £4k.

The IT agencies i've had to deal with don't require frivolous, empty agenda visits. You got the skills? Prove it at the interview. The way I like.

If you actually interview everyone, then you will have more than your fair share of disenchanted applicants to deal with. Good luck with that.

mgdavid

makeyourdaddyproud wrote: »

In any case, so long as there's agencies that don't add this extra step, I will be fine. I cannot be ar$$ed with piddling about for your own benefit as I don't get any of that £4k.

The IT agencies i've had to deal with don't require frivolous, empty agenda visits. You got the skills? Prove it at the interview. The way I like.

If you actually interview everyone, then you will have more than your fair share of disenchanted applicants to deal with. Good luck with that.

I suggest lufcgirl is handling more senior jobs than you are used to. As you advance your career you may come to realise this...

lufcgirl

makeyourdaddyproud wrote: »

In any case, so long as there's agencies that don't add this extra step, I will be fine. I cannot be ar$$ed with piddling about for your own benefit as I don't get any of that £4k.

The IT agencies i've had to deal with don't require frivolous, empty agenda visits. You got the skills? Prove it at the interview. The way I like.

If you actually interview everyone, then you will have more than your fair share of disenchanted applicants to deal with. Good luck with that.

Have you ever thought of that clients want you to see a candidate before submission? My sister is the HR Manager of a massive engineering firm, and as part of the terms to work with them, I have to see everyone. Also, I need to verify someone can work in the UK before submitting them.
Imagine me sending a CV, candidate being invited for interview, then offered after three interviews. Then we find out because we haven't had due diligence to check their passport or ID prior to submission that they can't work there. So we've wasted their time and ours.

If that's the case and you don't want to be interviewed or briefed face to face by an agency, apply directly. But refusing to see them would result to me in no CV being put across as to be honest I don't give a toss about a CV, companies choose candidates as much on their attitude, personality, and how they come across in person than all of their credentials on their CV. And after I've been in the company, met with them and their staff and have a good knowledge, the least I should be doing is checking I think they'd be a good fit.

robatwork

Look at it from the other side.

Let's say I'm an employer and I had commissioned an agency to find a new marketing person. Let's say they are going to be on £30k and the agency is getting 18% which is £5400.

I am well aware what the agent is doing is not only maintaining their own database of candidates but also trawling monster, reed, and the other job sites. I could do it myself if I wanted to but the time and hassle of weeding out 100s of possibles to 3 or 4 probables is what is worth £5400 to me.

If I thought for one second that the agent hadn't met, in person, each of the final 3 or 4 people they recommend for interview, they wouldn't be looking for any more employees for me. Part of what I am paying them for is to see how they come across in person, not just from a CV. After all a CV, letter or web form could actually be written by someone else on behalf of the candidate. It's not about checking paperwork but something far more basic.

makeyourdaddyproud

robatwork wrote: »

Look at it from the other side.
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If I thought for one second that the agent hadn't met, in person, each of the final 3 or 4 people they recommend for interview, they wouldn't be looking for any more employees for me. Part of what I am paying them for is to see how they come across in person, not just from a CV. After all a CV, letter or web form could actually be written by someone else on behalf of the candidate. It's not about checking paperwork but something far more basic.

Sadly for you, in demand skills talk the talk and walk the walk, rendering any pre-screen shenanigans moot. Trust me, I've had to work with agencies for 25 years. If an agent wants to pre-screen, find someone else.

And yes, there are some that do the pre-screen step as part of their service delivery (probably to justify their higher than average fee). But once that hard to find skill is laid bare for the employer to see, all sense of pre-screen due diligence and caution is conveniently forgotton nearly all the time.

Worth your £5,400? Are you sure about that? Try spending 8 more weeks meanwhile paying for contractors on £500/day waiting for the right fit.

CCFC_80

robatwork wrote: »

Look at it from the other side.

Let's say I'm an employer and I had commissioned an agency to find a new marketing person. Let's say they are going to be on £30k and the agency is getting 18% which is £5400.

I am well aware what the agent is doing is not only maintaining their own database of candidates but also trawling monster, reed, and the other job sites. I could do it myself if I wanted to but the time and hassle of weeding out 100s of possibles to 3 or 4 probables is what is worth £5400 to me.

If I thought for one second that the agent hadn't met, in person, each of the final 3 or 4 people they recommend for interview, they wouldn't be looking for any more employees for me. Part of what I am paying them for is to see how they come across in person, not just from a CV. After all a CV, letter or web form could actually be written by someone else on behalf of the candidate. It's not about checking paperwork but something far more basic.

All the recruitment agents are going to do is scan the CV's to get the buzzwords that your job description demands. You could do that yourself with software fitted that doesn't cost a bomb. Infact looking on the web there are free download tools available. You could do that yourself and you would still have to find the time to interview them even if a recruitment agent picked your candidates


Are you sure that they are going to pick the best 4 candidates for interview based on the fact that they almost certainly would not pay for a DBS check.


Again £5,400 spent by you, Do you consider that good value?