Who will win the UK election ?

ukcarper

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

It's nothing to do with income any more. It's more to do with who you vote for....

Vote Conservative and you're "Middle Class."
Vote Labour, and you're a "Working Cla$$hole"

Surprising that quite a few ex public school boys are working class isn't it.

antrobus

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

It's nothing to do with income any more. It's more to do with who you vote for....

Vote Conservative and you're "Middle Class."
Vote Labour, and you're a "Working Cla$$hole"

Nobody worries about that sort of thing anymore. These days it's all 'Surburban mind-sets' and 'Claimant cultures'. It's all so much more sophisticated.

ukcarper

Generali wrote: »

I voted Tory in the UK to help those worse off than me.

IMHO the best thing you can do for much of the poor is to increase the size of the pie to be divvy'd up rather than divvying it up differently.

I agree to some extent but if the increase is only divvy'd to well off it doesn't work.

Sapphire

I agree with this – and I wouldn't call myself exactly 'well educated'. My work over many years was my education. I base my decisions on who to vote for on what I believe will be the best for the country in which I live. I never vote as part of any 'knee-jerk reaction', in the way that many people seem to do ('my family has always been labour, so I'm voting labour', which is a really dumb and thoughtless method of deciding who to vote for, in my view). Neither do I follow wealthy leftie 'trendies' in my voting patterns.

As for your second paragraph, I'm not sure what it has to do with my posts. It's not as though labour and the Scottish nationalists are ultimately going to do anything to help people 'who are not as well off as I am' in England – on the contrary. It's also not a good idea to make assumptions about the financial status of people you don't even know.

ukcarper wrote: »

Yes and it's obvious what you think. You don't have to be well educated to work out what party will benefit you personally and that is what most people base their vote on.

Being well educated and well off doesn't prevent you from having concern for people who are not as well of as you.

Generali

ukcarper wrote: »

I agree to some extent but if the increase is only divvy'd to well off it doesn't work.

That doesn't happen though. Incomes have risen for all over just about any time frame unless you take a very narrow view around the GFC.

Yes, sometimes incomes for rich people rise faster than those for poor people and sometimes it's the other way around but if everyone is getting richer that's a good thing, right?

I know you can 'prove' me wrong by cherry-picking data points but any look at the sweep of economic history shows I am right. Any period barring the 1870s, 1930s and 2008-13 period from about the very start of the industrial revolution in 1750 shows incomes rising and any period from about 1850 (excluding war and flu epidemics) will show quality and quantity of life rising too.

The simple fact is that capitalism, tempered by welfarism or otherwise, has delivered huge and unparalleled improvements in the standard of living of everyone and most of all the poor.

ukcarper

Sapphire wrote: »

I agree with this – and I wouldn't call myself exactly 'well educated'. My work over many years was my education. I base my decisions on who to vote for on what I believe will be the best for the country in which I live. I never vote as part of any 'knee-jerk reaction', in the way that many people seem to do ('my family has always been labour, so I'm voting labour', which is a really dumb and thoughtless method of deciding who to vote for, in my view). Neither do I follow wealthy leftie 'trendies' in my voting patterns.

As for your second paragraph, I'm not sure what it has to do with my posts. It's not as though labour and the Scottish nationalists are ultimately going to do anything to help people 'who are not as well off as I am' in England – on the contrary. It's also not a good idea to make assumptions about the financial status of people you don't even know.

My second paragraph was in response to the contemp you show to "champagne socialist" .

I agree voting labour because your parents voted labour is stupid but I'm not convince that all Tory voters think much more about how they vote.

ukcarper

Generali wrote: »

That doesn't happen though. Incomes have risen for all over just about any time frame unless you take a very narrow view around the GFC.

Yes, sometimes incomes for rich people rise faster than those for poor people and sometimes it's the other way around but if everyone is getting richer that's a good thing, right?

I know you can 'prove' me wrong by cherry-picking data points but any look at the sweep of economic history shows I am right. Any period barring the 1870s, 1930s and 2008-13 period from about the very start of the industrial revolution in 1750 shows incomes rising and any period from about 1850 (excluding war and flu epidemics) will show quality and quantity of life rising too.

The simple fact is that capitalism, tempered by welfarism or otherwise, has delivered huge and unparalleled improvements in the standard of living of everyone and most of all the poor.

Not against responsible capitalism and I don't think you can really call the modern Labour Party socialist not in the true sense.

GunJack

one very interesting thing to note from the MORI figures.....

we're always hearing about the pensioners vote, but they are only a sub-group of E-class, which in it's entirety is only 8% of population, and with the lowest turnout (57% of D&E combined), so why do politicians try and appeal to them so much??

StevieJ

Generali wrote: »

That doesn't happen though. Incomes have risen for all over just about any time frame unless you take a very narrow view around the GFC.
.

I agree with you Gen but the problem is NOW, stagnating wages since 2007 are contributing to reduced 'tax take' and probably badly affecting productivity (worst productivity growth since the war). Manufacturing PMI is up but is that a result of cheap bodies being thrown in rather than investment in technology? It doesn't look good for the future
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/n...ses-fears.html

seven-day-weekend

Generali wrote: »

I voted Tory in the UK to help those worse off than me.

IMHO the best thing you can do for much of the poor is to increase the size of the pie to be divvy'd up rather than divvying it up differently.

Agreed, so that everyone can have a bigger slice of pie (and some will have bigger pieces than others). Under lefty policies, everyone has equal shares of a smaller pie.