Who will win the UK election ?

chucknorris

Sapphire wrote: »

And what on earth is the 'working class'? Since the demise of most 'working class' jobs (which were so plentiful in Britain before globalisation and before British workers priced themselves out of such jobs), there's really no such thing as a working class in this country any more.

Even though I'm in my late 50's I can't remember a time when the terms 'working class' and 'middle class' made any sense. Maybe when I was a child (but mostly, I was unaware of such things) it had some relevance. If it is/was defined by only employment (but I don't think those that use these class labels believe that), then I come from what started out as 'working class', both my parents doing manual work, but my father later becoming a manager. I also followed a similar path, starting out as an electrician, but later realising that I wanted something different, so I went back (although in reality I had not previously engaged with education, so going 'back' isn't an accurate description) into education as a mature student and took up a profession.

But in this day and age, it just sounds comical to try and attach class labels (it always did to me anyway).

ukcarper

Sapphire wrote: »

SHE clearly does not think this – hence the reference to trendy Islington lefties and other champagne socialists (which include labour politicians, some of whom are allegedly well educated). SHE also did not mention anyone living in council houses, or indeed morons.

Please read posts as they are meant to be read and don't make assumptions about people you don't even know.

And what on earth is the 'working class'? Since the demise of most 'working class' jobs (which were so plentiful in Britain before globalisation and before British workers priced themselves out of such jobs), there's really no such thing as a working class in this country any more.

Perhaps you should be more careful about what you say and you remark about Liberal Islington left says a lot.

As for working class it's just a figure of speech.

ukcarper

chucknorris wrote: »

Even though I'm in my late 50's I can't remember a time when the terms 'working class' and 'middle class' made any sense. Maybe when I was a child (but mostly, I was unaware of such things) it had some relevance. If it is/was defined by only employment (but I don't think those that use these class labels believe that), then I come from what started out as 'working class', both my parents doing manual work, but my father later becoming a manager. I also followed a similar path, starting out as an electrician, but later realising that I wanted something different, so I went back (although in reality I had not previously engaged with education, so going 'back' isn't an accurate description) into education as a mature student and took up a profession.

But in this day and age, it just sounds comical to try and attach class labels (it always did to me anyway).

I tend to agree and think middle class has become an more missused term than working class. But both terms are still widely used even if their meaning is impossible to define.

chucknorris

ukcarper wrote: »

Perhaps you should be more careful about what you say and you remark about Liberal Islington left says a lot.

As for working class it's just a figure of speech.

When I first started working in London someone said to me, 'the middle class' get the train to work (which he did) whereas 'the working class' get the tube :rotfl: He actually believed that too.

TheBlueHorse

Look, there is a reason why some people rise to the top and some are destined to work cleaning the loos or in the mail room. This is the same with the Tories and Labour. You may hate Tories, but that is because they run a decent ship. They are like a headteacher that runs a good school. The current pupils probably dislike them, but looking back they'll see they did the right thing. Labour is like those experimental schools where the kids do what they like. Those kids mainly failed in life.

Labour are just idealistic fools. Some of what they want and say is very nice, but it is just a load of studenty gibberish that can't happen in the real world.

Ed Milliband? Might as well have Rik from the Young Ones.

Cameron is no great shakes but he is a far better choice than Red Ed.

Loughton_Monkey

chucknorris wrote: »

When I first started working in London someone said to me, 'the middle class' get the train to work (which he did) whereas 'the working class' get the tube :rotfl: He actually believed that too.

So the 'middle class' still had to work if they needed to travel into London.

Of course the Upper Class would apply to those who didn't work at all. Rich parents, probably. Sat at home all day and just idled their time away, money not being a problem.

A bit like some of our current unemployed 'yoof'.

Loughton_Monkey

ukcarper wrote: »

I tend to agree and think middle class has become an more missused term than working class. But both terms are still widely used even if their meaning is impossible to define.

It's nothing to do with income any more. It's more to do with who you vote for....

Vote Conservative and you're "Middle Class."
Vote Labour, and you're a "Working Cla$$hole"

Sapphire

I don't need to be 'more careful about what I say' at all. What I say is what I mean. Living in London, and having at least one 'Islington champagne socialist' in my family (not to mention knowing other such hypocritical people, as a Londoner working in publishing), I know exactly what I mean. If you choose to close your mind to the existence of such people, that is your blindness.

If the term 'working class' is 'just a figure of speech', why use it?

ukcarper wrote: »

Perhaps you should be more careful about what you say and you remark about Liberal Islington left says a lot.

As for working class it's just a figure of speech.

ukcarper

Sapphire wrote: »

I don't need to be 'more careful about what I say' at all. What I say is what I mean. Living in London, and having at least one 'Islington champagne socialist' in my family (not to mention knowing other such hypocritical people, as a Londoner working in publishing), I know exactly what I mean. If you choose to close your mind to the existence of such people, that is your blindness.

If the term 'working class' is 'just a figure of speech', why use it?

Yes and it's obvious what you think. You don't have to be well educated to work out what party will benefit you personally and that is what most people base their vote on.

Being well educated and well off doesn't prevent you from having concern for people who are not as well of as you.

Generali

ukcarper wrote: »

Yes and it's obvious what you think. You don't have to be well educated to work out what party will benefit you personally and that is what most people base their vote on.

Being well educated and well off doesn't prevent you from having concern for people who are not as well of as you.

I voted Tory in the UK to help those worse off than me.

IMHO the best thing you can do for much of the poor is to increase the size of the pie to be divvy'd up rather than divvying it up differently.