Who will win the UK election ?

antrobus

padington wrote: »

Lets not split hairs, one large section of the city needed their house putting in order and it cost all of us a fortune. ...

Tbe bit that was based in Newcastle or Edinburgh?

padington wrote: »

...Neo Liberalism is a simple concept living in a complicated world.

Eh? I believe I understand what you are trying to say, I just don't understand why you believe it's relevant to say it.

antrobus

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

....Surely the largest private suppliers to the NHS are the drug companies. Now restricting their profits to 5% is going to be fun, Eddie! ...

On that subject, I believe that Eddie has said that the cap will be set on "outsourced healthcare contracts", so it would depend on the precise legal definition. I don't think even Mr Bean would be crazy enough to try and impose a profit cap on all NHS supply contracts. I mean, crumbs, I've seen the NHS Logistics catalogue, it's got everything in it. There's hardly anything that the NHS doesn't buy.

padington

Cyberman60 wrote: »

Well, many are stupid enough to vote Labour come what may. Most Tory voters IMO do realise that spending more does not mean more efficient, and that even less spending, with reforms, can actually mean a better service.

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

CLAPTON

padington wrote: »

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

presumably that applies to bankers?

Cyberman60

padington wrote: »

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

With regard to employees, maybe, but the efficiency savings I'm refering to are with regard to procurement and waste.

padington

CLAPTON wrote: »

presumably that applies to bankers?

I refer the right honourable gentleman to the answer I gave a moment ago

antrobus

Cyberman60 wrote: »

With regard to employees, maybe, but the efficiency savings I'm refering to are with regard to procurement and waste.

Ah, now then, you might have a point there.

I've actually worked NHS back office. You would be surprised how many times you can order 12 packs of ballpoint pens at an agreed price of 50p a pack, find that only 11 packs were delivered, but the supplier still invoices you for 12 packs at 60p per pack. You add up all those 10ps and missing packs, and over the year, you've got a big pile of money saved. Which is more than enough to cover the cost of the kind of clever-clogs accounting system you need to check up on the sort of thing in the first place.

michaels

antrobus wrote: »

Ah, now then, you might have a point there.

I've actually worked NHS back office. You would be surprised how many times you can order 12 packs of ballpoint pens at an agreed price of 50p a pack, find that only 11 packs were delivered, but the supplier still invoices you for 12 packs at 60p per pack. You add up all those 10ps and missing packs, and over the year, you've got a big pile of money saved. Which is more than enough to cover the cost of the kind of clever-clogs accounting system you need to check up on the sort of thing in the first place.

Not when you have to procure said accounting system using current methods first....because of course you can't buy off the shelf you have to buy bespoke as nothign does exactly what the 15 different stakeholders want, then the 15 different stakeholders will all change their requirements after the bulk of the build has been done and eventually after spending 300 million quid you will scrap it and go back to using paper and ad-hoc spreadsheets.

antrobus

michaels wrote: »

Not when you have to procure said accounting system using current methods first....because of course you can't buy off the shelf you have to buy bespoke as nothign does exactly what the 15 different stakeholders want, then the 15 different stakeholders will all change their requirements after the bulk of the build has been done and eventually after spending 300 million quid you will scrap it and go back to using paper and ad-hoc spreadsheets.

Well it's possible to bog up anything if you put your mind to it.

On the other hand, if you pay me to implement your accounting system, you get one that bl00dy works, and does what it's supposed to do.:)

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

Well it's possible to bog up anything if you put your mind to it.

On the other hand, if you pay me to implement your accounting system, you get one that bl00dy works, and does what it's supposed to do.:)

not possible

they would have to apply the EU procurement procedures