Largest housing rally ever across the UK

cells

ukcarper wrote: »

I see very little in the way of major road improvements in my area. I find it strange that you have no confidence in the planning system ability to provide houses but every confidence in its ability to provide require infrastructure.

Housing is infrastructure

for most other things we don't need more of them. Virtually all infrastructure has just got better. Factories output more units per building. Train stations and airports habdle more passangers per building. Retail and warehousing again more efficient. Even power stations have gotten smaller and more powerful.

Virtually the only one is roads and they are often bottleneck roads not the whole system. It can be addressed by more road, road tunnels (look up the irish one built in the 2000s), trains, subways. And in the future perhaps drone deliveries and computer cars could also help.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

Does it have to be a choice and there is no point building properties if it takes you an hour to get 3 miles down the road.


The A3 is solid around Guildford most days and before M25 junction.

I fully support appropriate improvements but they shouldn't delay essential new housing

cells

ukcarper wrote: »

Does it have to be a choice and there is no point building properties if it takes you an hour to get 3 miles down the road.


The A3 is solid around Guildford most days and before M25 junction.

As someone who has lived in parts of London for 25 years and uses a car my experience is that travel is often acceptable and only chaos when there are roadworks or big accidents.

However I am a strong believer that travel from and to work should be minimised (even if it is open roads) and if zone1 has far more jobs than residents then a lot of very high density flats should be built in z1 and z2 to reduce the need of an influx in and out daily

ukcarper

cells wrote: »

Housing is infrastructure

for most other things we don't need more of them. Virtually all infrastructure has just got better. Factories output more units per building. Train stations and airports habdle more passangers per building. Retail and warehousing again more efficient. Even power stations have gotten smaller and more powerful.

Virtually the only one is roads and they are often bottleneck roads not the whole system. It can be addressed by more road, road tunnels (look up the irish one built in the 2000s), trains, subways. And in the future perhaps drone deliveries and computer cars could also help.

Sewage farms water, electricity and gas supplies there is a lot more to consider than just roads.

You must try and get back in the real world it took years to build hind head tunnel and they are still haven arguing about the one around Stonehenge. Plenty of things could be done to improve transport links into London longer platforms so that longer trains can be used raise all railway bridges so that double decker trains can be used. The problem is they are expensive cause major disruption and are never done.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

I fully support appropriate improvements but they shouldn't delay essential new housing

I wonder if you would say that if you were faced with 2 hour commute each way.

Conrad

CLAPTON wrote: »

I fully support appropriate improvements but they shouldn't delay essential new housing

And once the housing and roads are used up by demand and new demand arrives...........


What is the end game?

ukcarper

cells wrote: »

As someone who has lived in parts of London for 25 years and uses a car my experience is that travel is often acceptable and only chaos when there are roadworks or big accidents.

However I am a strong believer that travel from and to work should be minimised (even if it is open roads) and if zone1 has far more jobs than residents then a lot of very high density flats should be built in z1 and z2 to reduce the need of an influx in and out daily

Have you ever driven from Hampton to Hammersmith in the rush hour.

I agree it would be better to build Property near to where work is and does all the work need to be in London.

westernpromise

Conrad wrote: »

And once the housing and roads are used up by demand and new demand arrives...........


What is the end game?

Cells thinks the capacity of infrastructure is infinite and that building more is anyway not a cost but a revenue.

cells

ukcarper wrote: »

Have you ever driven from Hampton to Hammersmith in the rush hour.

I agree it would be better to build Property near to where work is and does all the work need to be in London.

The work probably does need to be in London but maybe some of what is in Z1 can be in Z3&Z4

the only way I can see that happening is if Z1 offices are converted to housing and the displaced office companies migrates to Zone 2/3/4

cells

ukcarper wrote: »

Sewage farms water, electricity and gas supplies there is a lot more to consider than just roads.

But those have nothing to do with homes

If you have 6 people in one HMO, they shower and take a !!!! just as often as if they become 3 people in one home and 3 people in another.

Electricity use is down not up, especially peak winter evening demand which is down about 15% so we can add about 5 million homes and not worry much about power plants. likewise gas demand is flat/falling

ukcarper wrote: »

You must try and get back in the real world it took years to build hind head tunnel and they are still haven arguing about the one around Stonehenge. Plenty of things could be done to improve transport links into London longer platforms so that longer trains can be used raise all railway bridges so that double decker trains can be used. The problem is they are expensive cause major disruption and are never done.

I don't believe infrastructure to be a net cost, it acts as an economic enabler and is a net economic benefit.

Hence why nations with good infrastructure (aka lots of it) are far more wealthy than those with little to none

That they are not built (i don't quite agree with that btw) again has nothing to do with homes and housing.