Largest housing rally ever across the UK

cells

ukcarper wrote: »

Of course we can build new infrastructure but the problem is it very often isn't. Perhaps you can explain how the railway into Waterloo can be used more efficiently or the south western part of the M25.

Rail and roads are perhaps the two 'big' ones with virtually all other infrastructure simply working more efficiently over the years and will continue to do so.

For rail, its probably a plus to be near capacity.
Just as an example most people would probably prefer to pay £30 a ticket to be on a full train rather than £60 to be on a half full train

Railways are being expanded where they are seen to need more capacity in the future. eg cross-rail being the biggest project in Europe.


Roads, again no reason why more cant be built. Specifically for the M25 and London I think a Boston type "big dig" might do the city wonders. Further down the line robo-cars-taxi-etc will probably solve all road congestion without the need to build more

ukcarper

cells wrote: »

Rail and roads are perhaps the two 'big' ones with virtually all other infrastructure simply working more efficiently over the years and will continue to do so.

For rail, its probably a plus to be near capacity.
Just as an example most people would probably prefer to pay £30 a ticket to be on a full train rather than £60 to be on a half full train

Railways are being expanded where they are seen to need more capacity in the future. eg cross-rail being the biggest project in Europe.


Roads, again no reason why more cant be built. Specifically for the M25 and London I think a Boston type "big dig" might do the city wonders. Further down the line robo-cars-taxi-etc will probably solve all road congestion without the need to build more

Yes lots of things could be built but they are not being done and there doesn't seem to be a real appetite to do so. Near me 3000+ properties planned not improvements to already crowded roads planned.

cells

ukcarper wrote: »

What do you reckon 12 each way M25 the 6 are quite often stationary.

apparently it costs £30m a mile for a new motorway

the M25 is a little under 120 miles so to duplicate a second one just outside the first would cost £3.6 B

or ~£70m a year in interest for a morotway next to a city of almost 10m and near the home counties of another 10m people.....works out to about a penny a day per person.

not forgetting that this £3.6B cost not only gets us a second M25 but also about 100,000-man-years of work (or 10,000 jobs for 10 years) which contribute back a big chunk of that £3.6B cost

ukcarper

cells wrote: »

apparently it costs £30m a mile for a new motorway

the M25 is a little under 120 miles so to duplicate a second one just outside the first would cost £3.6 B

or ~£70m a year in interest for a morotway next to a city of almost 10m and near the home counties of another 10m people.....works out to about a penny a day per person.

not forgetting that this £3.6B cost not only gets us a second M25 but also about 100,000-man-years of work (or 10,000 jobs for 10 years) which contribute back a big chunk of that £3.6B cost

Not quite as simple as that is it. I'm not saying in wouldn't be possible to identify places in the south east where the properties could be built and the infrastructure put in place just that it would be difficult expensive and no one is prepared to do it.

cells

ukcarper wrote: »

Yes lots of things could be built but they are not being done and there doesn't seem to be a real appetite to do so. Near me 3000+ properties planned not improvements to already crowded roads planned.

there will have been a traffic assessment on any new big builds

Although 3,000 homes sounds like a lot that does not result in 3000 cars on the road all at peak time but only a fraction spread out over two hours

cells

ukcarper wrote: »

Not quite as simple as that is it. I'm not saying in wouldn't be possible to identify places in the south east where the properties could be built and the infrastructure put in place just that it would be difficult expensive and no one is prepared to do it.

plenty of people would be willing to work laying roads and at a cost of perhaps a penny a day to the 20m inhabitants near it that would be no great burden and would be paid back in lower fuel use less congestion and faster travail times


also I just looked up the cost of cross rail, £15B

2-3 such underground roads maybe north to south and east to west might be even better than a twin M25 at a similar cost.

It would help congestion on all roads within London not just M25 users.

ukcarper

cells wrote: »

there will have been a traffic assessment on any new big builds

Although 3,000 homes sounds like a lot that does not result in 3000 cars on the road all at peak time but only a fraction spread out over two hours

I can assure you it will make the roads worse in the morning and evening rush hours.

Were do you live Cells have you not experienced the traffic in and around London.

cells

ukcarper wrote: »

I can assure you it will make the roads worse in the morning and evening rush hours.

Were do you live Cells have you not experienced the traffic in and around London.

I live in Zone 2

Yes traffic is bad in some places during peak hours however its not a housing problem but a roads/people problem so I dont think traffic problems can be or should be attempted to be resolved by limiting house building.

A way to help would be for some zone 1 and 2 businesses to relocate to zone 3 and 4 so there isnt a massive inwards migration to central London in the morning and one out again in the evening

ukcarper

cells wrote: »

I live in Zone 2

Yes traffic is bad in some places during peak hours however its not a housing problem but a roads/people problem so I dont think traffic problems can be or should be attempted to be resolved by limiting house building.

A way to help would be for some zone 1 and 2 businesses to relocate to zone 3 and 4 so there isnt a massive inwards migration to central London in the morning and one out again in the evening

Don't you think traffic problems are serious I had to travel from Surrey to various places in West London and sometimes the 35 mile journey took 3hrs. I can't see adding more traffic to those roads will help anyone.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

Not quite as simple as that is it. I'm not saying in wouldn't be possible to identify places in the south east where the properties could be built and the infrastructure put in place just that it would be difficult expensive and no one is prepared to do it.

roads and rail are being improved all the time : one can hardly drive anywhere without seeing improvement to motorway or major roads

similarly rail links are being improved all the time

yes infrastructure tends to lag behind but nevertheless traffic flows pretty well most of the time.

people adapt to traffic: start earlier or later and spread the rush hour(s) or work from home etc.