Largest housing rally ever across the UK

cells

westernpromise wrote: »

Cells thinks the capacity of infrastructure is infinite and that building more is anyway not a cost but a revenue.

Most infrastructure improves with technology and the rate of technology improving often matches or surpasses the rate of population growth

And yes I do believe that infrastructure is not a net cost* as it is an economic enabler. eg if you need more electricity, the power station is a cost but what the power is used for is a benefit which more often than not outweighs the cost many times over



*You can over invest in infrastructure but this discussion is about building infrastructure that is at capacity

ukcarper

cells wrote: »

But those have nothing to do with homes

If you have 6 people in one HMO, they shower and take a !!!! just as often as if they become 3 people in one home and 3 people in another.

Electricity use is down not up, especially peak winter evening demand which is down about 15% so we can add about 5 million homes and not worry much about power plants. likewise gas demand is flat/falling






I don't believe infrastructure to be a net cost, it acts as an economic enabler and is a net economic benefit.

Hence why nations with good infrastructure (aka lots of it) are far more wealthy than those with little to none

That they are not built (i don't quite agree with that btw) again has nothing to do with homes and housing.

The infrastructure is no good if it's in the wronge place

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

I wonder if you would say that if you were faced with 2 hour commute each way.

I don't think there are many that commute daily 2 hours each way.

There are even fewer that commute for 2 hours because of congestion.

Sensible people will juggle job/salary/commute/house prices/quality of life, to reach an acceptable compromise and so will not commute for 4 hours a day.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't think there are many that commute daily 2 hours each way.

There are even fewer that commute for 2 hours because of congestion.

Sensible people will juggle job/salary/commute/house prices/quality of life, to reach an acceptable compromise and so will not commute for 4 hours a day.

It's not that people are commuting 2 hours each way now it's that they will if property is built without improvements to roads.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

It's not that people are commuting 2 hours each way now it's that they will if property is built without improvements to roads.

One would have to model that situation before one could say but as I've already said, roads and public transport are continually being improved.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

One would have to model that situation before one could say but as I've already said, roads and public transport are continually being improved.

You have much more faith than me. The Wisley development puts 2000 house next to already badly congested part of A3 with access to existing roundabout and no road improvements other than modifications to a couple of roundabouts and blocking off a couple of the smaller lanes.

Cyberman60

Until immigration is tackled there will always be an increasing housing shortfall. Where are the net 320,000 that came in last year living, and the millions over the past 15 years. Commonsense says to me STOP importing unnecessary demand for housing, NHS, jobs, welfare, schools etc !!!!

The solution is SOOOOOO simple.........

WG0608

The big developers are sitting on massive land banks simply waiting for house prices to rise before building on the land to reap higher profits.

IveSeenTheLight

Cyberman60 wrote: »

Until immigration is tackled there will always be an increasing housing shortfall. Where are the net 320,000 that came in last year living, and the millions over the past 15 years. Commonsense says to me STOP importing unnecessary demand for housing, NHS, jobs, welfare, schools etc !!!!

The solution is SOOOOOO simple.........

It would seem that in order to tackle your identified root cause, you'd be backing getting out of Europe.

What would you consider be the consequences of doing so?

purch

ukcarper wrote: »

You have much more faith than me. The Wisley development puts 2000 house next to already badly congested part of A3 with access to existing roundabout and no road improvements other than modifications to a couple of roundabouts and blocking off a couple of the smaller lanes.

Yes, but we all know that the Government has committed to spend 19 Gazillion Dillion Pounds upgrading every road in the country (especially the A3) over the next 200,000 years. They will keep announcing this every few months to try and sucker us into thinking it's a new policy that will actually happen, rather than an old one that won't.