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brat

tight_scotsman wrote: »

Cycling infrastructure is not ever going to be a priority for a UK government. Unless the tree hugging greens get power. And we all know that ain't going to happen.
It's way down the list on the political agenda. Local councils just paint a line 2 foot from the kerb and call it a cycle lane. That's probably as good as it's going to get outside London.

Marco is probably way more clued up than I about the directives towards a city cycling infrastructure, but I don't agree that there's no desire to develop it. Progress will be slower outside the cities.

We need proper training for cyclists if they are forced to use proper roads.Something along the lines of the CBT scheme for motorcyclists. It crazy that you can give up your car then spend a couple of grand on a new bike and all the latest gear. Then of you go onto our busy roads not having a clue how to keep yourself safe.

Good training is beneficial. I'd always advocate it. But it is not a legal requirement. It's one good reason why a little extra caution should be exercised around bikes, especially if you have a suspicion that they're inexperienced.

This is why I have issues with the so called primary position. A complete novice dictating when it's safe for me to overtake. Never heard such nonsense in my life.

All road users ahead of you dictate to a greater or lesser degree whether it's safe to overtake. You may not be a novice driver, but you do seem to be a novice with respect to the rights of other road users, and the reasons for their actions.

I treat every cyclist as a novice that way I won't take it for granted he knows what he is doing.

Good, but your belief that you are a superior road user is blinkering you from understanding that other road users' positional astuteness is for their own safety, not to antagonise.

Some might think this is the wrong attitude to have towards cyclists but in my case I have passed 5 different driving tests and also hold a driver certificate of professional competence. So I think we can safely agree that I am in a better position to decide wether it's safe to make any kind of manouver around a cyclist.

I do think you need to work on the attitude, but we're here to help.

tight_scotsman

With respect brat. A am a superior road user to a cyclist having passed 5 separate driving tests and a CPC then that makes me superior to any cyclist. Adding over 30 years accident free experience driving all types of vehicle.
Can you tell me what training cyclist get to prepare them for driving on our roads amongst qualified road users?

esuhl

tight_scotsman wrote: »

With respect brat. A am a superior road user to a cyclist having passed 5 separate driving tests and a CPC then that makes me superior to any cyclist. Adding over 30 years accident free experience driving all types of vehicle.

That probably makes you more dangerous on the roads. You arrogantly think you're the perfect driver that can do no wrong. That's an accident waiting to happen. Especially when you don't understand how other road users keep themselves safe.

Norman_Castle

tight_scotsman wrote: »

With respect brat. A am a superior road user to a cyclist having passed 5 separate driving tests and a CPC then that makes me superior to any cyclist. Adding over 30 years accident free experience driving all types of vehicle.
Can you tell me what training cyclist get to prepare them for driving on our roads amongst qualified road users?

If you bought a bike tomorrow and became a cyclist would you then consider yourself a less superior and less capable road user based on your current transport choice?.

The UK driving test is very limited and relatively simple to pass. Once passed many motorists have no real interest in improving their driving. For many, driving is a convenience. Cyclists are an inconvenience. If you became a cyclist would you be content trusting these indifferent drivers or would you adopt defensive cycling?.

Many motorists are uneducated and inexperienced when sharing the road with cyclist despite being qualified drivers.

armyknife

tight_scotsman wrote: »

With respect brat. A am a superior road user to a cyclist having passed 5 separate driving tests and a CPC then that makes me superior to any cyclist. Adding over 30 years accident free experience driving all types of vehicle.
Can you tell me what training cyclist get to prepare them for driving on our roads amongst qualified road users?

You're compensating for something, aren't you.

tight_scotsman

So what training does a cyclist have prior to taking to the roads?
Except for the proficiency test taken at primary school I have never heard of any.

Let me reiterate I have passed 5 driving tests. I also undergo periodic training by LAW
I have NEVER endangered a cyclist in my life and that's the way it will stay.

If cyclist want the respect of qualified drivers then I suggest they get trained/ tested to a competent standard. Then we will have a level playing field.

It's not through luck I have never been involved in an accident with a cyclist. It's a high standard of training and experience.

Maybe my employer of 20 years should be informed that I am an accident waiting to happen. I'm sure you will convince him and his insurance company not to let me loose on our roads with 300 grands worth of coach.

So until cyclists are trained to an acceptable standard I will continue to treat them as I have always treated them. Complete novices and an accident waiting to happen.

tight_scotsman

So what training does a cyclist have prior to taking to the roads?
Except for the proficiency test taken at primary school I have never heard of any.

Let me reiterate I have passed 5 driving tests. I also undergo periodic training by LAW
I have NEVER endangered a cyclist in my life and that's the way it will stay.

If cyclist want the respect of qualified drivers then I suggest they get trained/ tested to a competent standard. Then we will have a level playing field.

It's not through luck I have never been involved in an accident with a cyclist. It's a high standard of training and experience.

Maybe my employer of 20 years should be informed that I am an accident waiting to happen. I'm sure you will convince him and his insurance company not to let me loose on our roads with 300 grands worth of coach.

So until cyclists are trained to an acceptable standard I will continue to treat them as I have always treated them. Complete novices and an accident waiting to happen.

Norman_Castle

tight_scotsman wrote: »

If cyclist want the respect of qualified drivers then I suggest they get trained/ tested to a competent standard.

Would that be the same qualified drivers who kill or injure thousands of people every year?.

Tobster86

tight_scotsman wrote: »

A am a superior road user to a cyclist having passed 5 separate driving tests and a CPC then that makes me superior to any cyclist.

Does passing 5 separate driving tests somehow prohibit one from cycling?

What if one of those cyclists that you do not allow to dictate whether or not you overtake, has passed 17 driving tests?




Were any of your 5 driving tests extended tests, ordered by a magistrate?

tight_scotsman

I treat every cyclist as a complete novice that way I can keep them safe. Like I say I don't know how competent they are . But with car ,lorry, bus drivers at least they have proved they are trained to a minimum standard.

So yous never answered my question : What training do cyclist have to go through in order to share a road with drivers who have proved they are competent ?

I have no beef with cyclists if they want to kill themselves then that's their affair. But I will not allow them to dictate to me what is safe and what's not. And at the same time I would never endanger any other road user.