Forever Living Products

PlutoinCapricorn

If you say no and mean it, a reasonable person will respect your decision.

gbeanz

Bless you Plutoincapricorn.
I hope you are right.

PlutoinCapricorn

The few who do succeed are not doing anything worthwhile, and they must have low ethical standards.

gbeanz

I met my friend's manager (or whatever she calls herself) and she was just awful. Another poster (poss on a different thread) mentioned the fact that the company invests all its money into property rather than putting it back into the company - so the owners, as it is still a private company - have a nice property portfolio. This is sold to you as being a plus point but I don't see how it possibly can be! It's irrelevant, at best.
The other thing I would say is that it seems to prey on the desperate and unwitting. I have met one or two other distributors and they, like my friend, fit that description.
Terrible.

PlutoinCapricorn

Need, greed, naivety, gullibility, wishful thinking, desperation, suggestibility to hype and emotion rather than reason, lack of critical thinking and objectivity, refusal to listen to common sense objections ...

mickaveli2001

It would have been me (possibly)


The lavish bonuses to the top brass come from the high profit margin (per product) and the owners take the larger profits and place them into stock, property and other ventures... This is nothing new, basically all Network company owners do this, due to the fragile nature of the company. This is to ensure their own survival if / when the company folds, or legislation changes stamping these schemes out for good. Forever have been around 'forever' being able to side step new laws / loopholes brought in to keep them legal. But the huge markups are ridiculous, so much so that the owners have been able to buy very large BUILDINGS overseas (not just standard residential accommodation properties) some of which are used to host their annual 'Rally's'. They have events (where doubtful signee's are invited to in a bid to sign them up) where they have big cheque hand outs ready for various amounts £30k to £100+k to the sapphire managers, which is used to deceive and encourage a hall or exhibition full of potential sign up's.


The inevitable thing is for consumers is that people associate high cost with quality and assume that the large cost of these products certify quality, especially when the company heads talk about a patented extrusion process that they have, that no other person does. All the patent really is though, is about Stabilization. Being up on the levels, I was able to get a hold of their patent and they are really just serving you dead aloe. They HEAT the aloe up to 80 degrees C, which strips it of it's most nutritious qualities, then rapidly cool it modifying the structure of it all together leaving you with nothing more than a nutritious drink, with eliminated qualities.


Ask any dedicated organic health enthusiast, holistic practitioner or naturalist and they will tell you that heating any natural item to high temps renders the health benefits of that item utterly useless. Raw honey can alleviate many illnesses. It's why the Egyptians were fascinated by it, why it's the core ingredient (even if synthetically) in a lot of cold and flu remedies. Supermarket honeys taste nice, but do not provide the same health benefits of raw honey. Raw honey looses most of it's benefits when heated above 40 degree's C. Same with raw milk too. Obviously cleanliness and uncertainty means they have to heat it to kill "possible" nasty's since most of our milk comes from industrialised factory cattle that are overworked. But clean, green organic certified farm milk can provide a host of health benefits that just don't exist in our supermarket milk. Same thing with Forever Living Aloe. They heat the hell out of it, rendering the product useless for health, since the high heat strips and removes the antioxidants making it's adaptogen qualities virtually zero. It is also no longer a microbial so it can no longer achieve curbing the growth of disease-causing microorganisms (like Raw aloe can) so why do they heat it up?? Simple, it's to provide the product with a longer shelf-life of up to 4-5 years because there is no guarantee of sales, because remember the product is not the main thing for sale here, the dream is!


Apologies for the huge post, but people need to really know what this company is like, and what the product is like. Don't get suckered in to them telling you how healthy it is. Raw aloe is, heated and modified aloe isn't

mickaveli2001

And the individual bigging this company up is at the bottom. I can tell. Doing all the same things that entry level recruits do. At manager level (around 120cc) they begin to call their 'downline' "ants". The workers, and depending on how many they have recruited are the 'legs'. The ant with most legs is a good ant. It's a bit degrading, but something 99.9% of downline will not know of. You should hear exactly what they think of them at the global rally's

gbeanz

So do the distributors have to pay to go to the seminars, training etc? I'm just worried about how much money she doesn't have that my friend has invested in this or will be asked to in future.

mickaveli2001

gbeanz wrote: »

So do the distributors have to pay to go to the seminars, training etc? I'm just worried about how much money she doesn't have that my friend has invested in this or will be asked to in future.

Seminars (called "success days") cost anywhere between £25 - £35. Regional events are free, however you still have to get to them and they are usually held in central locations such as city's. At both of these, they have stalls with network marketing books, DVD's, products etc. Depending on where you live, this travel cost can vary. Training may be offered by your sponsor for free online, but they (company) provide training at a cost. Then there's the online tools, such as your own website and web help tools to help you 'sell', which is a subscription cost of £10 / 15 per month.


Don't think they can get out of having to go to these things., If you aren't selling boxes of this stuff every month or bringing in several people into the "business opportunity" each month (which I haven't known many who have) then it will be a "training" issue, or something which needs "re-inspiring" and are encouraged to attend the events, which, if you've seen 1, you've seen them all yet are left wondering why the hell you're at your 5th or 6th event, when they're all the same?


Some quotes from their policy handbook:


"A distributor is prohibited from selling FLP products to anyone for the purpose of resale"


"Attend (and be seen in attendance at) all local business briefings, trainings and success showcases"



You begin to see that the sale of the product isn't as v

cazzyann79

I have a friend doing really well from this company and I'm always tempted but this post shows the other side of it!