cost to repair someones car

Geodark

DUTR wrote: »

That is a tale I have seen here, I've notified my insurer of incidents, my premiums always seem to come down, they can inform their insurer and he can still settle outside.

But they will still be seen as higher risk when it comes to renewal - not saying that they should or shouldnt, just stating facts.

jimjames

missile wrote: »

£180 is VERY reasonable for a bumper repair as you have describe.

Absolutely.

This very minor dent in my bumper cost £200 and only needed rubbing down and respray of whole bumper once removed from car.

poipo

jimjames wrote: »

Absolutely.

This very minor dent in my bumper cost £200 and only needed rubbing down and respray of whole bumper once removed from car.

was it a ferrari that you had to repair that? :rotfl:

atrixblue.-MFR-.

poipo wrote: »

was it a ferrari that you had to repair that? :rotfl:

UMMM do you mean DID FERRARI REPAIR THAT do you have any knowledge of paint repairs!


To repair that minor looking crack and scuff takes hours of fettling and prep work that costs money to have a someone trained to do it.


removal of the bumper.


cleaning down the bumper (material 1 alcohol wipes).


Scuffing the affected area to plastic (material 2 air tool sanding pad 30 grit)


filling of the crack and reinforcement (material 2 plastic filler material 3 hardener, 4 solder gun on soft plastic to stitch the crack behind bumper or material 4(a) bumper resin glue repair kit)


Sanding and shaping of the filler (material 5 120 grit sand paper on a small sanding block)


Filling of pin holes in first stage fill, with a evercoat filler (material 6)


sanding of stage 2 filler (material 7 180 grit sandpaper)


scuff surrounding area to base coat (material 8 medium grade scuff pad material 9 scuffing paste material 10 metered tap water)


dry off.


alcohol wipe bumper (material 11 alcohol wipes)


Mix plastic adhesive spray (material 12 plastic adhesive spray, material 13 reducer hardener material 14 mix cup material 15 stir stick material 16 paint strainer filter)


spray adhesive on bumper in spray booth (material 17 bake oven filters)


Clean spray gun ( material 18 lacquer thinners, material 19 cloths and rags)


mix high build filler primer (material 20 primer material 21 thinners material 22 hardener material 23 mix cup material 24 strainer filter material 25 stir stick)


spray bumper with filler primer ( spray booth filters)


clean spray gun (material 26 thinners material 27 cloths and rags)


dry time


spray guide coat, rub down filler primer with 240 grit (material 28 can of guide coat, material 29 sand paper).


wash bumper


dry time


alcohol wipe bumper (material 30 )


mix primer (material 31 primer material 32 hardener material 33 mix cup material 34 strainer filter material 35 stir stick)


spray bumper in booth (material 36 bake oven filter)


dry time


alcohol wipe bumper (material 37 alcohol wipes)


sand filler with 240 grit wet and dry paper (material 38 metered tap water material 39 a dab of washing up liquid material 40 240 wet and dry sand paper)


wash bumper


dry time


alcohol wipe bumper (material 41 alcohol wipes)


mix base coat ( material 42 base coat, material 43 mix cup material 44 reducer material 45 hardener material 46 stir stick material 47 strainer filter)


spray base coat in spray booth (bake oven filter)


clean spray gun (material 48 thinners material 49 rags and cloths


dry time


wipe over with tac rag (material 49 tac rags)


mix lacquer (material 50 lacquer paint material 51 hardener material number 52 mix cup material 53 stir stick material 54 strainer filter)


spray bumper (material 55 bake oven filter)


dry time


refit bumper and align with body lines




done (and that's hoping no runs or no dulling of lacquer in the end result if so then wet sanding and buffing adding the time and materials)


add to that labor and overheads gas electric compressor oils emptying compressor water, bin bags, swarfaega hand wash, masks, gloves, boiler suits, telephone bills for ordering supplies and paints rent and council tax £200 suddenly sounds cheap doesn't it!

arcon5

No it doesn't sound cheap.
all you've done is broken down a task in to a million menial tasks like wipe debris off.
and all 50 or whatever materials listed, many duplicated and menial like alcohol wipes.

maybe I'll make a list of things I have to do touch and use to take my shoes off to persuade the OH not to make me do it every time I enter the house

jimjames

Atrixblue, you're right about the other elements of general business costs - insurance, rent of premises, equipment etc. People just see the cost of the paint and think it should cost a tenner.

It was on a Porsche 911 and I probably wouldn't have bothered on a banger but it's still a valid example of the costs of the job.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

arcon5 wrote: »

No it doesn't sound cheap.
all you've done is broken down a task in to a million menial tasks like wipe debris off.
and all 50 or whatever materials listed, many duplicated and menial like alcohol wipes.

maybe I'll make a list of things I have to do touch and use to take my shoes off to persuade the OH not to make me do it every time I enter the house

Lol, do you think alcohol wipes last a long time, or does it evaporate off the cloth needing a new one everytime it dries up!. you cant contaminate levels of work you've done with old cloths either so how do you suggest painters and body workers clean the surface for prep at each stage of the process? sand paper once its full you get another and another, its all part of costs.


its broken down because many people thinks its a bit of paint and filler and dont realize there is loads of materials needed for each job and man power to complete it, and that why it costs so much to have damage repaired.

arcon5

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

Lol, do you think alcohol wipes last a long time, or does it evaporate off the cloth needing a new one everytime it dries up!. you cant contaminate levels of work you've done with old cloths either so how do you suggest painters and body workers clean the surface for prep at each stage of the process? sand paper once its full you get another and another, its all part of costs.


its broken down because many people thinks its a bit of paint and filler and dont realize there is loads of materials needed for each job and man power to complete it, and that why it costs so much to have damage repaired.

Oh, well there you go then. You've missed out a few steps:

wipe with alcohol wipe
inspect wipe
continue wiping
inspect wipe and replace if dirty
continue wiping next section until wipe is dirty
inspect current wipe and replace if necessary
go to store room for more wipes
walk back to bumper and continuing wiping

All takes time and all that.

Nobodies arguing there's probably more to it than people realise, doesn't mean people don't have to disagree your price doesn't sound as amazing as you think it is.

Must be one slow and inefficient workshop though if they can only get through a bumper and a half per day.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

arcon5 wrote: »

Oh, well there you go then. You've missed out a few steps:

wipe with alcohol wipe
inspect wipe
continue wiping
inspect wipe and replace if dirty
continue wiping next section until wipe is dirty
inspect current wipe and replace if necessary
go to store room for more wipes
walk back to bumper and continuing wiping

All takes time and all that.

Nobodies arguing there's probably more to it than people realise, doesn't mean people don't have to disagree your price doesn't sound as amazing as you think it is.

Must be one slow and inefficient workshop though if they can only get through a bumper and a half per day.

What price would that be I mentioned no price. I don't claim to own a workshop but I know several who do.


How long do you think a bumper repair should take? if you can find some special instant dry filler and instant dry paints or a super booth that doesnt require filters heaters directed vented air flow self air purification, and super dries paint let me know will you im sure some body shop onwers I know will be interested.


the end result in the time spent on it depends on the customers wallet, rush it looks rushed spend time on it can look OEM factory and the only give away is the paint thickness when measured.


Oh and youll find that the above process don't take that long to a trained person the longest times are drying times and painting in the booth and filling and shaping. Its broken down so people can tell how much materials is used that is factored into the price to make a point to the person I quoted.

Spicy_McHaggis

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

Lol, do you think alcohol wipes last a long time, or does it evaporate off the cloth needing a new one everytime it dries up!. you cant contaminate levels of work you've done with old cloths either so how do you suggest painters and body workers clean the surface for prep at each stage of the process? sand paper once its full you get another and another, its all part of costs.


its broken down because many people thinks its a bit of paint and filler and dont realize there is loads of materials needed for each job and man power to complete it, and that why it costs so much to have damage repaired.

Alcohol wipes. :rotfl:

You mean pre-paint and a rag.

No wonder your costs are so high going in with 30 grit paper on an air sander.