Inconsidererate, aggressive, but not necessarily dangerous. Report?

Norman_Castle

Tilt wrote: »

Is a multiple choice question? If so, do you have the 100% correct answer?

The question is how far do you think the cyclist is across the lane.

Tilt

Norman_Castle wrote: »

[STRIKE]People[/STRIKE] cyclists reading your posts will see your very obvious bias against cyclists. Please don't judge others by your standards.

Fixed that for you.

Actually I was following a responsible cyclist only yesterday along a 40 mph road (very similar to the one on the footage). Somehow I could of managed to overtake him giving enough room even though there were cars coming in the opposite direction. BUT (with this thread in mind) I chose to hang back until I could give over a car's width of room. Mind you, he was riding no more than 1 metre away from the kerb.

Norman_Castle

Tilt wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

Actually I was following a responsible cyclist only yesterday along a 40 mph road (very similar to the one on the footage). Somehow I could of managed to overtake him giving enough room even though there were cars coming in the opposite direction. BUT (with this thread in mind) I chose to hang back until I could give over a car's width of room. Mind you, he was riding no more than 1 metre away from the kerb.

Very interesting. Back to the question. How far do you think the cyclist is across the lane?.

Tilt

Norman_Castle wrote: »

The question is how far do you think the cyclist is across the lane.

What's the point in me answering if you think i'm biased? But if you want my answer I reckon (from the footage) about 4 to 5ft. But surely only the OP knows the actual answer so where are you going with this?

Norman_Castle

Tilt wrote: »

What's the point in me answering if you think i'm biased? But if you want my answer I reckon (from the footage) about 4 to 5ft. But surely only the OP knows the actual answer so where are you going with this?

You've judged the op to be partly at fault based on your understanding of their lane position which you think is 4 to 5 feet.
Pause the video and measure across between the kerb and centre line. Now measure from the kerb to the centre line of the video which is where the camera is mounted (centrally!) on the bike. This shows the op is riding 1/3 of the way across the 10 foot wide lane, 3.3 feet from the kerb which is conveniently almost exactly a metre which according to one of your recent posts is correct for a lane this wide. They are clearly not a cars width ( an early opinion of yours) or in the primary position, described by you as halfway or more across the lane.

The op is clearly not in the centre of the lane or to the right of the centre as there is a large amount of the footpath visible to the left while the road centre marking is outside the camera image.

Tilt

Norman_Castle wrote: »

You've judged the op to be partly at fault based on your understanding of their lane position which you think is 4 to 5 feet.
Pause the video and measure across between the kerb and centre line. Now measure from the kerb to the centre line of the video which is where the camera is mounted (centrally!) on the bike. This shows the op is riding 1/3 of the way across the 10 foot wide lane, 3.3 feet from the kerb which is conveniently almost exactly a metre which according to one of your recent posts is correct for a lane this wide. They are clearly not a cars width ( an early opinion of yours) or in the primary position, described by you as halfway or more across the lane.

The op is clearly not in the centre of the lane or to the right of the centre as there is a large amount of the footpath visible to the left while the road centre marking is outside the camera image.

When I say 4 to 5', I mean overall distance from the kerb (meaning to the extreme o/s of the rider and bike, not where the wheels are). Not sure what your interpretation is though.

One of my earlier posts also says that in the absence of any part of the bike being captured in the footage, i's difficult to be precise on the position of the bike in relation to the road.

Sorry, but that's merely my opinion to which obviously you don't agree. I am happy to accept that as not everyone's opinion will be welcomed or agreed with on a forum like this.

Tobster86

Tilt wrote: »

Obviously the OP posted this thread only to attract opinions against the motorist. Better luck next time.

But I also drive a BMW, and quite a high performance one at that. So to quote everyone from the western coast of the USA; whatever.

modsandmockers

Tobster86 wrote: »

The driver of the BMW could have handled this situation far worse and far more dangerously. I was annoyed, but not scared, and I've been scared on the road before.

So I'm wondering, if I can be bothered (admittedly) to report the incident (it's about an hour of form filling with West Mercia constabulary), or whether public humiliation and accompanying comments on YouTube about the man's willy will provide sufficient retribution.

Tobster86 wrote: »

But I also drive a BMW, and quite a high performance one at that. So to quote everyone from the western coast of the USA; whatever.

So how big is your willy?

Tobster86

modsandmockers wrote: »

So how big is your willy?

The_video_description wrote:

The vehicle is a BMW 318i, with a mighty four cylinder 1.8. I guess he's just frustrated that he doesn't drive a real BMW, and probably has a really small willy!

Do explain your identified correlation to us.

Actually, don't.

modsandmockers

Throbbe wrote: »

...and you conclude that therefore cyclists should ignore the published advice of the DfT. I agree that there is a problem, but why not address this by publicising the practice through a series of newspaper/tv/online public service adverts and include it in the next revision of the Highway Code? This seems a much more sensible approach, which will reduce risk of conflict.

The assertion that this advice was dreamt up by a militant cyclist intelligentsia as a form of social engineering to control motorists is so bizarre it can only be an attempt to troll, which is sad as there is a genuine area of concern within your post that warrants some discussion.

Here is a link to the published advice of the Dft, and it contains no reference to primary and secondary riding positions -

http://think.direct.gov.uk/

And here is some of the content -


THINK! advice for when you're driving
Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them
Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react
Give cyclists plenty of space when over taking them, leaving as much room as you would give a car. If there isn’t sufficient space to pass, hold back. Remember that cyclists may need to manoeuvre suddenly if the road is poor, it’s windy or if a car door is opened
Always check for cyclists when you open your car door
Advanced stop lines allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility. You must stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows
Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights

THINK! advice for when you're cycling
Ride positively, decisively and well clear of the kerb – look and signal to show drivers what you plan to do and make eye contact where possible so you know drivers have seen you
Avoid riding up the inside of large vehicles, like lorries or buses, where you might not be seen
Always use lights after dark or when visibility is poor
Wearing light coloured or reflective clothing during the day and reflective clothing and/or accessories in the dark increases your visibility
Follow the Highway Code including observing ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights
THINK! recommends wearing a correctly fitted cycle helmet, which is securely fastened and conforms to current regulations


I have added the advice for horse riders, because I think some of it could also be applied to cyclists -


Advice for horse riders
Always display fluorescent/reflective clothing on both horse and rider whatever the weather or light conditions
If at all avoidable, don't ride in failing light, fog or darkness. Avoid icy or snowy roads
If riding a horse that is not used to roads, ask a rider with a horse who is experienced and calm to accompany you
Never take a mounted group of more than eight horses on the road
If riding two abreast, move into single file as soon as it is safe for the motorist to overtake. Don't ride more than two abreast on the road
Always cross major crossings in a group, rather than trickling across one by one
Leave details of your intended route and estimated time of return with a responsible person


Those of you who can be bothered to look at the link will also find a graphic which includes the words 'cyclists ride central on narrow roads'. I look forward to another 11 pages of argument about what that actually means!

Primary and secondary riding positions were invented by cyclists for cyclists.