Inconsidererate, aggressive, but not necessarily dangerous. Report?

brat

Tilt wrote: »

Yes without question, the CORRECT use of primary position by a cyclist in the appropriate conditions SHOULD be respected by all motorists. BUT as I live in a predominantly rural area, I occasionally see how SOME motorists have a lack of understanding and respect when passing horses so what chance have they got understanding how and when to overtake a cyclist?

Doh! :wall:

That's why we use primary and secondary positions. The primary position allows an assertive cyclist to control the vehicles behind, in much the same way as a tractor will do simply by virtue of its width. The primary position effectively blocks the lane. The cyclist's positioning is saying to the driver behind, "Don't attempt an overtake just now. It's not safe for me. There's not enough room."

The driver then has much less opportunity to make a silly unsafe overtake.

Interestingly, horse riders and cyclists both come under the same guidance to motorists from the highway code. "Give them plenty of room, and when overtaking give as much room as you would when passing a car."

So, when you think about overtaking a cyclist, think that it's a horse rider, and overtake with the same degree of consideration.

Throbbe

modsandmockers wrote: »

“To repeat, I think that as things currently stand, taking the ‘primary position’ will probably decrease the overall risk a cyclist faces, because it encourages more consideration from the majority of drivers. But in a minority of instances, it actively increases the danger.

The emphasis may help your understanding. This is one persons view, and even they concede on balance that using primary/secondary is safer than keeping left. You seem to have reached a very different conclusion.

modsandmockers wrote: »

“The U.K.’s official safe cycling strategy can appear perverse and unreasonable to the average motorist – because they haven’t been told about it. The only people who know about ‘Cyclecraft’ are a tiny minority of the already tiny minority of people who cycle”

...and you conclude that therefore cyclists should ignore the published advice of the DfT. I agree that there is a problem, but why not address this by publicising the practice through a series of newspaper/tv/online public service adverts and include it in the next revision of the Highway Code? This seems a much more sensible approach, which will reduce risk of conflict.

The assertion that this advice was dreamt up by a militant cyclist intelligentsia as a form of social engineering to control motorists is so bizarre it can only be an attempt to troll, which is sad as there is a genuine area of concern within your post that warrants some discussion.

armyknife

Throbbe wrote: »

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The assertion that this advice was dreamt up by a militant cyclist intelligentsia as a form of social engineering to control motorists is so bizarre it can only be an attempt to troll, which is sad as there is a genuine area of concern within your post that warrants some discussion.

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This.

brat

Has the penny finally dropped...?

Tilt

brat wrote: »

Has the penny finally dropped...?

If that is aimed at me, no it hasn't. My opinion based on the footage (that both cyclist and BMW driver appeared to be at fault) stands.

Obviously the OP posted this thread only to attract opinions against the motorist. Better luck next time.

pendragon_arther

You two sound like a married couple after a 20 year marriage.

Tilt

pendragon_arther wrote: »

You two sound like a married couple after a 20 year marriage.

Jesus... I wouldn't of lasted 5 minutes let alone 20 years with her! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Norman_Castle

Tilt wrote: »

If that is aimed at me, no it hasn't. My opinion based on the footage (that both cyclist and BMW driver appeared to be at fault) stands.

Now you know the exact position of the camera and lets assume the lane is 10 feet wide, exactly how far across the lane do you think the cyclist is, based on the footage?.

Norman_Castle

Tilt wrote: »

Obviously the OP posted this thread only to attract opinions against the motorist. Better luck next time.

People reading your posts will see your very obvious bias against cyclists. Please don't judge others by your standards.

Tilt

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Now you know the exact position of the camera and lets assume the lane is 10 feet wide, exactly how far across the lane do you think the cyclist is, based on the footage?.

Is a multiple choice question? If so, do you have the 100% correct answer?