Desktop Mac 3/4 years old 500 gb

shortchanged_2

gjchester wrote: »

Did you actually read what I wrote?

All makers charge a premium to customise or change a device if its done in factory.

Yes.......and?

I'm referring to the soldering in the RAM. At least users of others devices have the option to upgrade the RAM themselves.

thescouselander

shortchanged wrote: »

Let's face it, the only reason apple do this is to try to get people in the first place to buy the higher margin bigger RAM unit in the first place or people will upgrade sooner to a whole new machine as the smaller RAM device in non upgradeable.

At the end of the day it's not in apples ecosystem benefit to actually have devices that last for ever. They need people to spend as much as they can on their devices and many people are silly enough to fall for their guff.

It's not just Apple who do this. Loads of high end laptops have soldered ram - the Samsung 9 series for example.

Look, if you can't afford a well specced high end laptop then buy a cheaper one and upgrade as you go - that's fine. But don't !!!!! about people who can afford what they want and don't need to go to such lengths. It's all a bit boring frankly and has nothing to do with the OP's question.

macman

fred246 wrote: »

So all the extra cash goes on 'build quality and finish'. They must use some expensive paint on those Apples. I suppose 'soldered in RAM' is an example of superior build quality.

Whether the extra you pay for Apple products is 'worth it' is entirely subjective, and wasn't my point at all. The fact remains that Macs command much higher residual values than PC's, and that must say something about the build quality and expected life cycle.

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macman wrote: »

Whether the extra you pay for Apple products is 'worth it' is entirely subjective, and wasn't my point at all. The fact remains that Macs command much higher residual values than PC's, and that must say something about the build quality and expected life cycle.

Yes because there are much less of them available and they are more expensive in the first place. They are the designer goods of the technology world. Are Armani jeans better than Next? Probably not, its the little badge on them that makes them so much more expensive.

jaydeeuk1

I don't buy in to this apple products have better residuals, they depreciate just the same as anyone else.


Iphone 5 for £60 at cash converters being one example. My surface pro 64gb which cost £309 new from microsoft in dec 2013 sell for £250 on ebay now. At the budget end, my 8" linx tablet cost £49 brand new from staples, i could make a profit selling it now.


It was probably true in the past, but not so much now.

gjchester

jaydeeuk1 wrote: »

Iphone 5 for £60 at cash converters being one example.

Given the cash convertors online store has them starting about 100 in poor condition and £150 plus for reasonable condition ones that's either wrongly priced or the shop is closing and they are clearing stock.


Cash Convertors is an franchise maybe the franchise is ending or the shops not doing well or closing down.

shortchanged_2

gjchester wrote: »

Given the cash convertors online store has them starting about 100 in poor condition and £150 plus for reasonable condition ones that's either wrongly priced or the shop is closing and they are clearing stock.


Cash Convertors is an franchise maybe the franchise is ending or the shops not doing well or closing down.

Or maybe people have seen Apples massive profits and actually realised how overpriced their products are.

macman

I didn't say 'Apple products' have better residuals, I said 'Macs'.
iPhones fall into a completely different market category, as they have a huge share of the smartphone market (guessing 50% or more?), and the almost annual upgrades are bound to knock the residuals of earlier models.
Macs have maybe less than 10% of the PC/laptop market, and the upgrade changes are relatively small, and the upgrades not so regular.
It's pretty obvious which product is driving their profits ever higher.

almillar

gjchester:

BTW Apple have been ripping people off at RAM upgrade time for years, terrible.

I disagree. All makers do this, it not just Apple.

What do you disagree with? I didn't say no-one else does it, I'm comparing the price they charge to supply the computer with 'x' RAM, to the price of buying 'x' RAM and putting it in yourself.

Going from 4gb RAM to 8gb on a Macbook Air is £80 extra, Going from a 256GB Flash drive to 512Gb is £240. And yes that seems a lot.

I wasn't talking about SSDs either, but yes, same principle applies, what would it cost on the High Street compared to this price.

shortchanged:

and they are more expensive in the first place

No. Their residuals are a PERCENTAGE of their original value. Being more expensive in the first place has no bearing on the percentage left. 'They hold their value better'. On the flipside, smaller cheaper cars have BETTER residuals than bigger more expensive cars, in general. A 2012 Fiesta will be worth more than a 2012 Ferrari, as a percentage of their original price. Fiestas hold their value better. THAT'S residuals.

gjchester

almillar wrote: »

gjchester:

What do you disagree with? I didn't say no-one else does it, I'm comparing the price they charge to supply the computer with 'x' RAM, to the price of buying 'x' RAM and putting it in yourself.

My point was all computer makers charge a premium to change a config in the factory, Apple are not alone in charging far more than just the actual cost of a component install as a device is built.

Anytime you want to change a standard component in anything (you used cars above, same principle) it cost a lot more to get someone to do it than do it yourself.