Desktop Mac 3/4 years old 500 gb

AlecEiffel

The thing is, the people who come on here requesting assistance are not the people who go overboard big-upping Apple, and so sarcastic, belittling, utterly unhelpful posts are of absolutely no use to anyone. Pro/anti povs are fine in 'should I buy' type threads, but in threads like this it's just spam.

fred246

It's going to happen on a money saving forum I am afraid. When someone says I am having problems with something that is so massively over-priced then people will react. Maybe there is a MAC forum just for MAC users where Apple could moderate away any negative comments.

gjchester

macman wrote: »

although the build quality and finish is much superior

fred246 wrote: »

. I suppose 'soldered in RAM' is an example of superior build quality.

Its more an example of build quality and knowing your market.


Most computer users never open up the case and do anything. They don't add memory, never upgrading any parts such as the hard drive, they use it and after X years when it gets too slow or breaks they buy a new one and sell or get rid of the old one.


Apples soldering in RAM means it can't work loose in transit, so they get less DOA returns, and is unlikely to work lose no matter how much you move it, which gives rise to the experience that Apples don't go wrong. And its not only Apple, I've had PC's where the maker used a hot glue gun to stick RAM, connectors and cables in place, messy and a pain to do anything with but as these were PC's on trolleys it helped stop things being vibrated or jarred loose.


The other thing to consider is the tinkering some people do, there nothing wrong with upgrading parts but if you have a blazingly fast laptop with a SSD drive, and run out of hard drive space it should be obvious you need a bigger SSD. However SSD's are expensive compared to platter drives, so you really do get people who buy a big platter drive then ask my advice why the laptops got slower.


Apple may not be cheap, and yes you pay for the design, but the components are optimised to a much greater degree than a lot of PC's where the makers got a basic spec, then fits it out to a budget. Buy a good brand PC with a similar spec and build quality and finish to an Apple and you'll get a similar price.

gjchester

fred246 wrote: »

It's going to happen on a money saving forum I am afraid. When someone says I am having problems with something that is so massively over-priced then people will react. Maybe there is a MAC forum just for MAC users where Apple could moderate away any negative comments.

Depends on what you define as money saving, Getting the best price for something is not the same as paying the lowest price possible, There's a quality part of the equation that people often miss out. There's no point paying very little for something if you hate it and so don't use it..


Tesco basics Coffee is money saving if you look at absolute price, but it's not to my taste. but for some people who just want a hot drink to warm up the cost is the focus.


I'll pay more for beans I can grind at home, however I'll try and buy the coffee bean brand I like at the lowest price, so I'm focused on value for money aspect.

jaydeeuk1

Wow, apple fans are a touchy lot.


I'd expect a charge of £90-£120 if he has own office and depending where in country you are , approx £50 for the hd/ssd and £50 for an hours labour inc os installation and config, poss more as its apple as per audi example above. A person more likely to pay more fixing a 4 year old mac than a 4 year old acer.

AlecEiffel

It's not about negative comments, it's about pointless comments. Agreed, Apple products are expensive (and flagship Sony, Samsung, and HTC android phones are in the same ballpark price wise). But why should it be expected on a money saving forum? MSE isn't just about about getting the cheapest stuff, it's also about getting what you'd like but as cheap as you can. But then that's just my opinion (I own an iPhone and my laptop is a Dell, should I be helped with a problem with one and mocked for owning the other? I'd imagine the answer is yes but I got a good deal on the phone )

fred246

The whole point is that the OP has paid for all the extra quality and has a product that doesn't work. I hope you don't really believe that Apple have soldered in RAM for reliability.

jaydeeuk1

fred246 wrote: »

The whole point is that the OP has paid for all the extra quality and has a product that doesn't work. I hope you don't really believe that Apple have soldered in RAM for reliability.

Tbf, some components like the hd, cpu even ram chips are just your bog standard off the shelf stuff underneath so failure rate shouldnt be any different from the likes of sony or asus.

thescouselander

fred246 wrote: »

The whole point is that the OP has paid for all the extra quality and has a product that doesn't work. I hope you don't really believe that Apple have soldered in RAM for reliability.

Actually soldered connections will be more reliable than mechanical connections in general. That said components are usually soldered to save space and make the device thinner. Either way, does it matter if the RAM is soldered? I'd suggest not for most people.

As for quality - we haven't even established the nature of the fault yet or how it came about.

fred246

Soldering in RAM may prevent people upgrading using normal price RAM. I suppose Apple RAM is so expensive because it is superior?