School fine withdrawn!

supersaver2

marisco wrote: »

I can appreciate the point you are making. Personally though I think it is a good idea to keep each other informed of short breaks and days out. It enables maximum interest to be taken in all a child is doing and experiencing. A child can only benefit from such openness and expression of respect between its parents.

Of course and this would happen in an ideal world, but as seen on this thread alone we don't live in an ideal world! If a PWC takes the child on a short break they have no legal obligations to tell the NRP and I was slightly surprised anybody would think both parents had to be in agreement about such holidays/days out etc.

Jagraf

I thought .... Pwc coud take child out of country for hols without nrp permission for a holiday, but nrp needed permission.

Not saying this is right or wrong, just what I thought.

Has the law changed?

Never needed it but always gave written letter to my DD just in case my ex was stopped.

Gaz126_2

Well I guess its my duty to reply. So firstly I have not pointed the finger at my ex (fluffnutter) I cannot state what happened without indicating the other parent and by the way I have never said this only applies to fathers! Quite specifically 'parents'.
A point missed so far, I knew in advance - I am not hiding this! I have read many posts now seemingly being at fault. But would like to raise the issue, as it now seems I can magic a wand and communicate! The school cannot do anything! The moral dilemma not mentioned so far, lets presume I have the power to prevent this, do you and would you, after years of trying to see your children explain that mother or father is stopping you going on holiday?
This has never been about slagging my ex slagging the school, but concerns that people in far worse positions than myself will find themselves. Limited communication, maybe no communication! So please fluffnutter and no offence has been taken, then tell me what you'd do? I have one more point after this you will find interesting regarding days off!!

Guest101

Jagraf wrote: »

I thought .... Pwc coud take child out of country for hols without nrp permission for a holiday, but nrp needed permission.

Not saying this is right or wrong, just what I thought.

Has the law changed?

Never needed it but always gave written letter to my DD just in case my ex was stopped.

That has never been a condition.

The term is non resident parent, not parent with less rights.

Jagraf

Guest101 wrote: »

That has never been a condition.

The term is non resident parent, not parent with less rights.

I wasn't saying that, I thought it was the case, even if unfair. My memory must be failing me then.

Guest101

Gaz126 wrote: »

Well I guess its my duty to reply. So firstly I have not pointed the finger at my ex (fluffnutter) I cannot state what happened without indicating the other parent and by the way I have never said this only applies to fathers! Quite specifically 'parents'.
A point missed so far, I knew in advance - I am not hiding this! I have read many posts now seemingly being at fault. But would like to raise the issue, as it now seems I can magic a wand and communicate! The school cannot do anything! The moral dilemma not mentioned so far, lets presume I have the power to prevent this, do you and would you, after years of trying to see your children explain that mother or father is stopping you going on holiday?
This has never been about slagging my ex slagging the school, but concerns that people in far worse positions than myself will find themselves. Limited communication, maybe no communication! So please fluffnutter and no offence has been taken, then tell me what you'd do? I have one more point after this you will find interesting regarding days off!!

Your continuing the argument. I've explained what I believe is a reasonable defence.

There may be others.

To answer your question, u cover your back and not interfere with your ex. You let the school know you haven't consented, and that be that.

Guest101

Jagraf wrote: »

I wasn't saying that, I thought it was the case, even if unfair. My memory must be failing me then.

No I appreciate what you're saying. Just pointing out that the leal rights are equal. ( unless a court order specifies otherwise)

This has not been the general rule. Individual cases may be that one parent needed permission.

Gaz126_2

I must be missing something guest 101. What does covering my back with the school do! I have had a meeting with both parties as mentioned earlier they are not in a position to do anything? Even informing them in advance?
... and yes contacted my local MP Chloe Smith, she has been very involved and written to the council and minister, responding quickly to my concerns. Her response "the main thrust of the concerns she has raised with the Council and the Minister is that both parents are being fined for the actions of one". ..waiting for a response from them.

Guest101

Gaz126 wrote: »

I must be missing something guest 101. What does covering my back with the school do! I have had a meeting with both parties as mentioned earlier they are not in a position to do anything? Even informing them in advance?
... and yes contacted my local MP Chloe Smith, she has been very involved and written to the council and minister, responding quickly to my concerns. Her response "the main thrust of the concerns she has raised with the Council and the Minister is that both parents are being fined for the actions of one". ..waiting for a response from them.

1: you weren't fined. Never was there a fine. Younever went to court. Only a court issues fines.
2: you inform the school, so that when you do go to court, you can show that this was without your consent.
3: you show the court the days you have custody, and the days you don't.
4: I imagine the LA will not go to court as if they lose, they will lose one hell of an income!

Gaz126_2

I'm not sure thats correct? The Council sends the fine payable within 21 days. Not paid within 28 it doubles. Then prosecuted in Court up to £2500!
The Council and school are aware I did not consent I was not on the application form and did not apply. The custody days is irrelevant as it clearly states being a 'natural' parent. You are correct the LA do not have to take this to Court but knowing the whole story would not back down over the fine or withdraw.