March for Homes

MARTYM8`

Generali wrote: »

What do we want?
Homes not for profit!
Who's going to pay for it?
Someone else!

Almost any scheme where someone on these boards calls for the Government to do something invariably involves someone else paying for it: the Boomers, the 1%, parents, cyclists, drivers. Anyone except them.

£25 billion housing benefit bill and rising. And what happens when all these renters can't afford to buy and retire - who is going to pay their rents. Taxpayers!

Its an impending social and economic disaster. If we carry on as we are the housing benefit bill will exceed the NHS budget.

Maybe like some on here I shouldn't care about the next generation - but they are our kids, grandkids, nephews and nieces aren't they?

CLAPTON

MARTYM8` wrote: »

£25 billion housing benefit bill and rising. And what happens when all these renters can't afford to buy and retire - who is going to pay their rents. Taxpayers!

Its an impending social and economic disaster. If we carry on as we are the housing benefit bill will exceed the NHS budget.

Maybe like some on here I shouldn't care about the next generation - but they are our kids, grandkids, nephews and nieces aren't they?

Yes, we need to build more houses and so reduce the price

CLAPTON

MARTYM8` wrote: »

£25 billion housing benefit bill and rising. And what happens when all these renters can't afford to buy and retire - who is going to pay their rents. Taxpayers!

Its an impending social and economic disaster. If we carry on as we are the housing benefit bill will exceed the NHS budget.

Maybe like some on here I shouldn't care about the next generation - but they are our kids, grandkids, nephews and nieces aren't they?

yes, the HB system is totally dysfunctional and is part of the cause of high prices

immediate cap on the total bill with 20% cut in cash terms for the next 5 years ; then review
plus of course build more houses

michaels

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes, the HB system is totally dysfunctional and is part of the cause of high prices

immediate cap on the total bill with 20% cut in cash terms for the next 5 years ; then review
plus of course build more houses

Pop quiz: Will lowering rental yields lead to more house building or less?

CLAPTON

michaels wrote: »

Pop quiz: Will lowering rental yields lead to more house building or less?

chicken , egg

are housing standards lower in London or in cheaper areas in the Midlands and North (or indeed most other places).

has house building declined outside London and the SE?

but the answer is
- the consequence may not lead to lower return of capital for rental
- in that it leads to lower land prices

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

mobfant wrote: »

How's it supposed to stay one of the most booming culturally impressive cities with the best career opportunities if the young and those who create the culture can't afford to live there, nor the people who provide the public services such as teachers, paramedics, and nurses on which the city depends?

No-one thinks they should be able to live there for the same price as a house in Stoke. But it should be a lot cheaper than it is. Who is asking for a free house? Who is asking to not have to work? Pretty sure you won't be able to find many. What people are looking for are rental properties and houses that are affordable relative to their salary.

It's all relative, for arguments sake if a waiter earning £20k wants to live and buy in London, should he be able to? I think it's the same as me wanting to buy a Porsche when I can only afford a Ford. The waiter can afford his house but in Stoke, I can afford a car but only a Ford. Rare objects in high demand are going to cost more. Deal with it.

lisyloo

I have no issue with your argument jack about work ethic and expectations but what does that mean long term?
Does it mean that the native waiter stays on benefits at the taxpers expense? Does it mean that someone from Romania comes here, lives in a room with 10 others for a couple of years which their happy to do because they can go back Home and live like a king.
Does the waiter slum it in the center and share? That maybe Ok if you're young but not so good if you're married and want a little privacy for your conjugals or heavan forbid a child. Or should he commute and pay high rail fares but have no home or pension?
I do believe people are entitled to expect a family life.
Can you see how this really isn't good?

Maybe some can go out of london? An apparently obvious solution. My oh had 12 months out of his chosen career. We had littlechoice but to come to London. complete career change is not so easy when your nearly 50. I'm not complaining as we love it here but just pointing out that its not always that easy.
Our issue was due to being successful and the higher you go in career terms the fewer jobs there are up the pyramid, so it'd not always about being unsuccessful and unskilled.

Generali

My solution would be:

Fixed amounts of money for people on benefits so if they can rent somewhere cheaper then they reap the benefit
Build more houses

You can't solve a housing shortage by changing welfare systems. You solve it by building houses!

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

lisyloo wrote: »

I have no issue with your argument jack about work ethic and expectations but what does that mean long term?
Does it mean that the native waiter stays on benefits at the taxpers expense? Does it mean that someone from Romania comes here, lives in a room with 10 others for a couple of years which their happy to do because they can go back Home and live like a king.
Does the waiter slum it in the center and share? That maybe Ok if you're young but not so good if you're married and want a little privacy for your conjugals or heavan forbid a child. Or should he commute and pay high rail fares but have no home or pension?
I do believe people are entitled to expect a family life.
Can you see how this really isn't good?

Maybe some can go out of london? An apparently obvious solution. My oh had 12 months out of his chosen career. We had littlechoice but to come to London. complete career change is not so easy when your nearly 50. I'm not complaining as we love it here but just pointing out that its not always that easy.
Our issue was due to being successful and the higher you go in career terms the fewer jobs there are up the pyramid, so it'd not always about being unsuccessful and unskilled.

I don't personally see any of that as a big problem, maybe the lower paid who work in London should be given travel discounts. Don't see why people should be able to buy assets beyond their means, renting should be more achievable for these people.

ukcarper

I don't see any reason why lower paid people should be able to buy in London but there should be affordable accomodation and I'm not convinced LHA is the ans. I can't see how a city like London can function without low paid workers.