IP tracking against data protection act

2Jakes

unholyangel wrote: »

I did say in the first part of the post you quoted that I wasnt saying they shouldnt have such a list

However now that you've brought it up, there is more to the DPA than just unlawful disclosure.

For example, the first principle of the DPA is fair and lawful processing, on which the ICO say:


And also:

This exactly my argument with Camelot. I told them that there is nothing on their site about this and they should say what records they keep and how they use them on their web site.

They told me that my ISP had put an anonymizer on my account but it has nothing to do with what my ISP has done or not done.

They use deceptive jargon to justify something that is not true.

They are blaming me for their own mistake and this one employee is seems to be insinuating that it was my fault by using TOR where that has nothing to do with it.

There is an important principle involved here.

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

2Jakes wrote: »

This exactly my argument with Camelot. I told them that there is nothing on their site about this and they should say what records they keep and how they use them on their web site.

Yeah, Camelot banned you rightly for abusing their network.

2Jakes wrote: »

They told me that my ISP had put an anonymizer on my account but it has nothing to do with what my ISP has done or not done.

They use deceptive jargon to justify something that is not true.

Not a clue what you are panicking about!

2Jakes wrote: »

They are blaming me for their own mistake and this one employee is seems to be insinuating that it was my fault by using TOR where that has nothing to do with it.

Nope, you're the naughty boy who sees fit to play hide and seek, most round here have no need to do so and do not do so.

2Jakes wrote: »

There is an important principle involved here.

What principle is that? Video cameras is it?

2Jakes wrote: »

How about having a video camera in your toilet and letting insurance companies adjust your premium according to your bowel movement? If you won't even mind that then what if a guest wants to use your toilet and you don't know that there is a video camera in your toilet. Shouldn't your guest know?

Hmm!


One should always be careful when posting what to you is an mild comment, but in the light of day can be misconstrued!

rochja

I do so hope you guys can keep this up all night. I have insomnia

DCFC79

Why not just let it go and move onto something else.

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

DCFC79 wrote: »

Why not just let it go and move onto something else.

Please, OP is a pensioner, so children and possibly grandchildren could be involved.

forgotmyname

Why is it always the Children we have to think of? Why not fluffy bunnies?

Never seen a fluffy bunny attack a child, But i have seen children attack fluffy bunnies..

Can we move onto "Think of the fluffy bunnies"

SnowTiger

2Jakes wrote: »

First I am computer scientist and was Licensed Microsoft professional until 2004 when I retired on health grounds, so I know what I am talking about.

Secondly anonymizing access is not illegal. A lot of online e-games use it automatically without you even knowing it. And there are a lot more of them than those who connect to TOR.

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I think it is very serious and what other records are being kept on us by these people?

Well, Mr Computer Scientist, be smart and learn how to use TOR:

Staying anonymous

Tor can't solve all anonymity problems. It focuses only on protecting the transport of data. You need to use protocol-specific support software if you don't want the sites you visit to see your identifying information. For example, you can use Tor Browser while browsing the web to withhold some information about your computer's configuration.

Also, to protect your anonymity, be smart. Don't provide your name or other revealing information in web forms.

By signing in to your National Lottery account via TOR you gave up your anonymity.

In my opinion the National Lottery has done nothing wrong by retaining a list of the IP addresses you have used to access their service and cross-checking them with a service that maintains a list of IP addresses used by people who (attempt) to hide their (country) location.

And Neustar has done nothing wrong by compiling a list of IP addresses used as TOR exit points.

Complain to the Information Comissioner if you don't agree: https://ico.org.uk/concerns/.

System

IP tracking is against the DPA the same way that the electoral roll and historical versions are.

In fact you can get more info from the electoral roll for free than you ever could by using a court order to get info about IP use.

AJXX

2Jakes wrote: »

This exactly my argument with Camelot. I told them that there is nothing on their site about this and they should say what records they keep and how they use them on their web site.

https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/privacy-policy#howweuse

They told me that my ISP had put an anonymizer on my account but it has nothing to do with what my ISP has done or not done.

Their system detected you as being outside the UK, which is likely due to an anonymizer or TOR.

This is perfectly in line with the account terms and conditions YOU agreed to; https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/account-terms?icid=bsp:na:tx#int_use_of_the_site_1

(b) You are physically located in the UK or Isle of Man at the time;
(c) You are recognised by checks carried out by Camelot as being a resident of the UK or Isle of Man;

They use deceptive jargon to justify something that is not true.

How is the above "deceptive jargon" especially as you claim to be a "computer scientist"

They are blaming me for their own mistake and this one employee is seems to be insinuating that it was my fault by using TOR where that has nothing to do with it.

There is an important principle involved here.

Let it go!

They haven't made any "mistake". You've accessed TOR, or whatever service and this has resulted in an IP ban from the National Lottery.

You breached their TOS. I've used their website for a few years and never had a single problem. Is it just a massive co-incidence that you ramble on about TOR, proxy, anonymous systems etc... and YOU got an IP Ban?.... Hmmm.. I wonder WHY?

And so what if their employee made a mistake or told you to check for anonymizers with your ISP... people make mistakes.

I'd like to personally listen to that phone call, as I bet you started denying using proxys etc on their website.. thus the employee rather than call you a liar told you to call your ISP which would make logical scene.

cookie365

Online gambling sites have a very very strong interest in keeping people who aren't in the UK off their sites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Scheinberg

So the slightest sniff of Tor or VPNs or other redirection technology is a complete no-no.

Get yourself down to the newsagent and buy your ticket there.