IP tracking against data protection act

2Jakes

wealdroam wrote: »

I can see how the IP address should be treated as sensitive data by the lottery company, but are you saying that because someone (Camelot) can match the IP address with an individual, then Neustar should not have a list of IP addresses with flags on it?

But maybe I've misunderstood.

I am trying to point out that the kind of data being collected, kept and used by a third party can be abused as well as misconstrued. Which is why there are rules in the Act to protect people.

Just because IP is not personal data, it seems that it can still be used to discriminate against people without their knowledge and that should be taken into consideration and when that happens then there should be redress in the act.

Camelot doesn't care that I was on TOR Network. They re-connected me straight away but their employee appears to be using it to avoid admission to their mistake and hence using a more reliable method of locating people at the time of accessing their account.

It is not the end of the world but a silly obstinate employee is preventing what the company should be doing instead, i.e. improving their system and provide proper complete information disclosure to their users.

wealdroam

2Jakes wrote: »

Camelot doesn't care that I was on TOR Network. They re-connected me straight away...

You've told us this in nearly every post you have written today.

Why on earth didn't you mention that in your original post?

Your original post left us with the impression that Camelot would not allow you access because at sometime in the past your IP address had used a TOR network.

Good luck with whatever it is you are looking for, whatever that may be.

AJXX

2Jakes wrote: »

5-TOR is not just for illegal activity. All sorts of people use TOR, including security services and companies as well as underground movements abroad and here so that unless there is a court order to identify them they won't be identified.
It is none of anyone business how naughty I am or have been specially that of Camelot unless there are grounds for suspicion that just having been on TOR is not one of them.

Why are you still moaning about this? Camelot have done nothing wrong here, their system detects suspicious IP address activity and bans IP's presumably if said suspicious activity is high enough.

Accessing TOR, using proxies, anonymizers, etc... WILL flag up as suspicious, like it or not, TOR is more often than not "dodgey".

Many companies record your IP address and carry about the above checks, even the likes of Amazon will do this to protect against fraud etc...

Of course Camelot aren't going to tell you exactly why or how this works - else people would be able to circumvent their systems.

Your moaning and whinging about nothing IMO.

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

2Jakes wrote: »

It is none of anyone business how naughty I am or have been specially that of Camelot unless there are grounds for suspicion that just having been on TOR is not one of them.

The majority of us have no need to play hide and seek! One is questioning why you had to, and quite rightly, some sites refuse access to these. And correct it is none of my business.

Just be careful though when your mother puts the sheets on the line!

George_Michael

There is only one way that Camelot could possibly know that you are a TOR user and that is if you tried to access their website via TOR.
Doing this would immediately flag up as suspicious so they were perfectly correct and within their rights to stop you accessing your account until you had explained to them that you were in the UK.

Money-Saving-King

Op, this is all your fault. Stop playing the hard done by consumer because you aren't one. For most people playing the lottery is light hearted fun but you seem to have turned into into something even Victor Meldrew couldn't have managed.

Using TOR cause of this. You chose to use it, it's obvious what could happen so I've no idea why you're complaining.

2Jakes

AJXX wrote: »

Why are you still moaning about this? Camelot have done nothing wrong here, their system detects suspicious IP address activity and bans IP's presumably if said suspicious activity is high enough.

Accessing TOR, using proxies, anonymizers, etc... WILL flag up as suspicious, like it or not, TOR is more often than not "dodgey".

Many companies record your IP address and carry about the above checks, even the likes of Amazon will do this to protect against fraud etc...

Of course Camelot aren't going to tell you exactly why or how this works - else people would be able to circumvent their systems.

Your moaning and whinging about nothing IMO.

First I am computer scientist and was Licensed Microsoft professional until 2004 when I retired on health grounds, so I know what I am talking about.

Secondly anonymizing access is not illegal. A lot of online e-games use it automatically without you even knowing it. And there are a lot more of them than those who connect to TOR.

Camelot have certainly done something wrong. They have added 2 & 2 and came up with 5, because they are making wrong conclusions from the data. And now they don't want to admit it and one of their employees thinks that he/she can use the knowledge of me having been on TOR network as leverage against me.

They shouldn't have used the data in such a way. They should apologize and change their system not to make this kind of mistake in the future.

But more importantly Neustar has no business to keep track of people in this way.

There is nothing suspicious about using TOR network except to those whose knowledge of TOR is exclusively obtained from news clips and tabloid newspapers, not to a major company.

I doubt Amazon is stupid enough to rely on such unreliable data for preventing fraud. They would be cutting themselves out of the reach a lot of potential customers. I am a regular Amazon customer & I have never had this come up.

Thirdly tracking people using IPs is very unreliable unless they keep the real identities with it because the same IP that has been assigned to me one day can be assigned to someone else another day. So, Neustar is not just tracking IPs, they must be tracking identities.

It wasn't their intention to stop my access because I was on TOR once upon a time although one silly employee is insinuating to be using that information to kind of black mail me, which is exactly why this kind of information shouldn't be collected because they can abused by idiots.

If I wanted to go on TOR for anything illegal, i would certainly not use my LapTop on my Wi-fi. Or what if I hack into one of my neighbors Wi-Fi's and used theirs to use TOR for something illegal?

It is a question of principle. Nobody should be keeping tap on anyone without their consent or permission obtained through the courts. Furthermore that information shouldn't me made available to a third party.

You are probably one those people who thinks that if people don't have anything to hide then they shouldn't object.

How about having a video camera in your toilet and letting insurance companies adjust your premium according to your bowel movement? If you won't even mind that then what if a guest wants to use your toilet and you don't know that there is a video camera in your toilet. Shouldn't your guest know?

The kind of records collected by Neustar are exactly the kind of thing that the government is proposing to the house known as snoopers charter. It is even worse when Neustar rather then ISPs are keeping these records.

I think it is very serious and what other records are being kept on us by these people?

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

2Jakes wrote: »

First I am computer scientist and was Licensed Microsoft professional until 2004 when I retired on health grounds, so I know what I am talking about.

Alert, pensioner with nothing else to do all day except worry!

2Jakes wrote: »

How about having a video camera in your toilet and letting insurance companies adjust your premium according to your bowel movement? If you won't even mind that then what if a guest wants to use your toilet and you don't know that there is a video camera in your toilet. Shouldn't your guest know?

I refer to my previous answer.

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth wrote: »

Just be careful though when your mother puts the sheets on the line!

Again, most of us are not bothered that some gambling site banned you because of your activities. me, I just got on with life, hey ho!

k3lvc

2Jakes wrote: »

How about having a video camera in your toilet and letting insurance companies adjust your premium according to your bowel movement?

I'd managed to avoid commenting on your meaningless rant until this point that grasped my imagination

What do you propose the scale would be ? Is it measured on firmness/frequency/odour/hitting the target ??

Solving this conundrum is likely to be far more productive that pondering over your original question/worries :rotfl:

2Jakes

Money-Saving-King wrote: »

Op, this is all your fault. Stop playing the hard done by consumer because you aren't one. For most people playing the lottery is light hearted fun but you seem to have turned into into something even Victor Meldrew couldn't have managed.

Using TOR cause of this. You chose to use it, it's obvious what could happen so I've no idea why you're complaining.

This has nothing to do with playing lottery or feeling hard done by.

How many times do I have to say it. Camelot didn't know that they were blocking me because of having been on TOR. Otherwise they wouldn't have done it.

It is the one employee who rather than doing the right thing thinks that this knowledge can be used as leverage.

Do you want just anyone to know and keep records of everything you do, whether it is TOR or anything else and use that information to deny you access to information or service In error (as in this) or not?

Try to use some imagination and see the bigger picture?