Leaving school - is this true?

alwaysskint96

I dont know these people but why all the vitriol all the time Just a few points to consider

1 Who knows how long the family have been "relying on benefits" For all any of us know they couldve earned more in the past and wages dropped- happened to loads of people in the last 8 or so years

2 When this girl was born there wasnt any child tax credits Im sure My daughter has just turned 20 and they certainly werent around before

3 "People should think about how they are going to afford kids before having them" Now this gets my goat- situations can change immensely in a 15-20 year period. Hey when i had my eldest 2 I was living in a yuppie flat with a well paid stockbroker- we could afford the kids Who was to know that by the time the eldest was at school he wouldve lost his job and decided to beat the crap out of me on more than one occasion to vent his frustration- but hey perhaps shouldve forseen i would need help in bringing up kids from the state and not had them in the first place


And one thing I do know- if the girl signs on then there will be no housing benefit non-dependent deduction, same as for full time students

Housing_Benefit_Officer

alwaysskint96 wrote: »

2 When this girl was born there wasnt any child tax credits Im sure My daughter has just turned 20 and they certainly werent around before

From 1971 to 1986 Family Income Supplement

From 1986 to 1999 Family Credit

From 1999 to 2003 Working Families Tax Credit

From 2003 Working Tax Credit and Child Tex Credit.

From 2013 Transition to Universal Credit

sulphate

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Whilst I generally agree with the comments above, is it not wrong that a family is expected to either support this girl ad infinitum or expell her from the family home & make her stand on her own 2 feet?

Who else should be expected to support her?

As others have said, she will be entitled to JSA until she finds work.

What are the 19 year old's plans, short/long term? Presumably she is not expecting to live with her parents forever and never work?

alwaysskint96

was the old Family credit in the 90s so generous? Cant remember receiving that tbh so dont know

I seem to remember people had to work to receive that, unlike the current child tax credit

BigAunty

The_Last_Username wrote: »

PLEASE bear with me and read this?:D

Having a convo with a pal last night & he was telling me - that when his teen daughter finishes 6th form soon they will be approx. £80+ PER WEEK out of pocket! :eek:
YET ..... they are still supposed (somehow) to support her.
Which seems to me a bit harsh.
Is that true?

Each year this forum is flooded with posts from shocked parents who are perplexed that when their children become adults (i.e. non-dependents), they no longer get child related benefits and experience a drop in income. So its not a rare reaction at all.

What they have amnesia about is that their adult child (or non-dependent) should be in the position to contribute towards the household purse from their employment, student or benefit income. They or their adult children often think that the younger ones ought to be able to keep the income they receive to themselves.

Sometimes the non-dependent can't contribute to the same degree as the shortfall so the household has to budget differently. Budgeting according to income is a normal activity - increase income or decrease expenses.

Unfortunately, the effect of long-term benefit claiming is that it creates a culture of dependency and resistence to change - the household has been passively receiving a regular and reliable source of money for no effort and has got used to it, they've been cushioned and developed a sense of entitlement.

Comparing lone parents with this situation is comparing apples with pears. Why are parents who have enjoyed 18 years of child related benefits shocked that other households with dependent children get the same type of benefits that they have received in the long-term - the main qualifying condition is having children.....!

Londonsu

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Whilst I generally agree with the comments above, is it not wrong that a family is expected to either support this girl ad infinitum or expell her from the family home & make her stand on her own 2 feet?
As I understand it, JSA may be an option until she can get more work than 4 hours.
AS OPPOSED TO being funded by benefits (not family) like her friends with children. Who do NOT have to be supported by their parents.
I too disagree with the State funding her ....... or her family, for that matter.
BUT I do disagree with a system which makes her peers and/or friends who decided they couldn't say "No" ( or be careful, despite an abundance of readily-available resources on the matter ) financially better-off.
Thoughts?

oh that's just made me laugh I left school and got a job at age 15 and was married and running my own home at age 17
18/19 is old enough for her to stand on her own two feet

Ames

I'm not disagreeing with the general focus of the posts. But a couple of people have said 'there's always jobs in care', and that attitude really annoys me. Do we really want people working as carers who are only there because there's no other jobs? Surely it's a profession which should be filled by people who are interested, trained, skilled, and doing it because it's what they want to do, not just because the burger places aren't hiring.

And then there's an outcry when the care home scandals hit.

dippy3103

alwaysskint96 wrote: »

I dont know these people but why all the vitriol all the time Just a few points to consider

1 Who knows how long the family have been "relying on benefits" For all any of us know they couldve earned more in the past and wages dropped- happened to loads of people in the last 8 or so years

2 When this girl was born there wasnt any child tax credits Im sure My daughter has just turned 20 and they certainly werent around before

3 "People should think about how they are going to afford kids before having them" Now this gets my goat- situations can change immensely in a 15-20 year period. Hey when i had my eldest 2 I was living in a yuppie flat with a well paid stockbroker- we could afford the kids Who was to know that by the time the eldest was at school he wouldve lost his job and decided to beat the crap out of me on more than one occasion to vent his frustration- but hey perhaps shouldve forseen i would need help in bringing up kids from the state and not had them in the first place


And one thing I do know- if the girl signs on then there will be no housing benefit non-dependent deduction, same as for full time students

Benefits are there as a safety net to catch us when we need them- when life throws you a curved ball. They are not intended as a permenant lifestyle choice- the Mum had the chance to be a SAHM when her kids were younger. Now they can choose to make sacrifices or choose to go and find work.

I went back to work when my son was 6 months old- mortgages don't pay themselves. I would have loved to be a SAHM but there was no choice. With having kids comes a responsibility to support them.


You are quite right, if she claims JSA there will not be a non doe deduction. However the household will still lose the applicable amount for her as a child and HB may reduce.

FBaby

I dont know these people but why all the vitriol all the time Just a few points to consider

None of these points justify why OP's friend's wife couldn't now look for work, or really, started looking in September when her eldest started school but which time now, they would probably be working and making up the difference.

SnooksNJ

alwaysskint96 wrote: »

I dont know these people but why all the vitriol all the time Just a few points to consider

1 Who knows how long the family have been "relying on benefits" For all any of us know they couldve earned more in the past and wages dropped- happened to loads of people in the last 8 or so years

2 When this girl was born there wasnt any child tax credits Im sure My daughter has just turned 20 and they certainly werent around before

3 "People should think about how they are going to afford kids before having them" Now this gets my goat- situations can change immensely in a 15-20 year period. Hey when i had my eldest 2 I was living in a yuppie flat with a well paid stockbroker- we could afford the kids Who was to know that by the time the eldest was at school he wouldve lost his job and decided to beat the crap out of me on more than one occasion to vent his frustration- but hey perhaps shouldve forseen i would need help in bringing up kids from the state and not had them in the first place


And one thing I do know- if the girl signs on then there will be no housing benefit non-dependent deduction, same as for full time students

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most parents know their kids will grow older and no matter who controls the Government child benefits will not increase to "kids" in their 20s,30s, and 40s.